07-07-2002 00:42									#1
	Should Outposts, forts and colonies make boarders Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

this is a remake of 'The_Aussie_Lurker's thread, cuz i think this poll will have better results!

	07-07-2002 00:49									#2
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NO, yes, yes, no

	07-07-2002 00:51									#3
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yeah, out posts should be put on the edge of your boarders!
Damn, i voted the wrong way!

	08-07-2002 21:15									#4
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any of yous think colonies should create a city next to them after a certain amoun of time, or after somthing has been acheaved!

	08-07-2002 21:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by HazieDaVampire Damn, i voted the wrong way!

Hehe... You voted wrong in you rown poll.

	09-07-2002 00:29									#6
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define Outpost

	09-07-2002 01:14									#7
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i made this because sombody else had a thread/poll with the same name, but i thort this poll set up would work better!
I think he was just using it as another word for fort!

	09-07-2002 01:28									#8
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Let's make sure I voted the right way, when you say 'boarders' you mean 'borders' like a border line between two nations and not 'boarders' as in vagrant people paying someone rent to stay in their spare bedroom?

	09-07-2002 01:48									#9
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lol, is that a retorical question, or are you really having logic problems? j/k

	09-07-2002 01:53									#10
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quote: Originally posted by HazieDaVampire lol, is that a retorical question, or are you really having logic problems? j/k

I just wanted to make sure no one else was generating revenue from boarders as no one seemed to want to stay the night in my civ.

	09-07-2002 01:59									#11
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they like all enclusive holidays, their called RoP agreements.

	09-07-2002 04:22									#12
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 define Outpost

Hazie, you made the poll. Before I vote, I'd like to know what you mean by 'Outpost'...

	09-07-2002 04:41									#13
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Hi Hazie,

You're right, this poll is a far more accurate way of guaging the opinion of the Apolyton Public! I admit that I really just threw my poll together at the spur of the moment, largely because I remembered a lot of people complaining how foreign borders swallow up colonies! If nothing else, I do believe that forts should have some sort of "Border" of between 1-2 squares radius, one which cannot be swallowed up by culture!! Whoever occupies the fort gets the border, so this would make the garrisoning of a fort VITAL!! It also would give a slight military edge to the border concept! (Perhaps their could even be a diplomatic option where a Civ can demand the dismantling of all colonies, forts etc outside of your cultural border!?)
Oh, and Zulu, Outposts are a new terrain improvement which will be introduced in PtW, apparently you can build them away from your main empire and they will have 2 effects: 1) they Dispel the "Fog of War" and 2) They prevent the spawning of barbarians in the outposts area of effect! Hope that helps.

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	09-07-2002 06:08									#14
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i think colonies should stay the way they are

quote: If nothing else, I do believe that forts should have some sort of "Border" of between 1-2 squares radius, one which cannot be swallowed up by culture!! Whoever occupies the fort gets the border, so this would make the garrisoning of a fort VITAL!! It also would give a slight military edge to the border concept! (Perhaps their could even be a diplomatic option where a Civ can demand the dismantling of all colonies, forts etc outside of your cultural border!?)

but then i wouldn't be building anything else than forts

	09-07-2002 06:11									#15
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quote: YES - All of these boarders should have the ability to grow

how are outpost and fort borders supposed to grow btw? they wouldn't produce any culture?

	09-07-2002 06:14									#16
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Hey Gangerolf, I think that's why so few people chose that option, instead going for fixed borders!! If they were to have growing borders, then the improvements would need to have some sort of "cultural value", or else grow by a certain number of squares every X-turns!! Neither of these options seem particularly viable, however!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	09-07-2002 08:51									#17
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Wasn't this in CTP1 & 2? If it was than Firaxis won't touch it.

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I don't think colonies should hold or expand your border. They are supposed to simulate a mining camp not a settlement, they harvest a particular resource. They don't farm, build schools, libraries, or any of the other things they create culture'. They should be able to be swallowed up by someone else's culture representing the colony's workers turning to a more easily accessible source of goods, services, workers and protection.

I don't think forts should generate culture either. However if garrisoned they should NOT be swallowed up by an opponent's culture. This way you could establish forts in strategic squares before your opponent settles it and as long as you garrison the fort you will have pockets of influence in their territory.

What would be interesting is to build a fort and settlement on the same square in the opponents area. While the the opponent's culture engulfs the settlement it would never flip over as long as the garrisoned fort was there.