09-07-2002 09:23									#1
	Foreign Minister Report for 1910 B.C. Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

To view this report at the website of the foreign ministry, simply go to the Foreign Ministry of Apolyton Website

	09-07-2002 09:25									#2
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We are now the technological equals of all civs. And Uber was bullheaded, but it didnt hurt us

Thanks to the genious trade plan from Spiffor, we now only lack Writing to be world leaders in technological sophistication

The trades were:

- We buy Iron Working to the French, for 3gpt and 58 gold.
- We sell Iron Working to the Greeks for Mysticism, and as much gold as we can get.
- We sell Iron Working OR Mysticism to the Iroquois, for he Wheel, and probably money.
- We sell our least valuable tech to the Brits for Alphabet, as they don't have any money to buy valuable tech.

Germany, America and France are the only civs with true tech leads on us right now, while they all have Writing, and we don't.

We may obtain Writing from the French at 6 GPT and 43 lump. But that seems to be too much of a price to pay as far as I am conscerned. And France WOULD be our most favorable trade partners at the moment.

Currently, we have 66 gold
France has 1 gold
USA has 12 gold
England has NO gold
Iroquois has NO gold
Germany have 17 gold
Persia has 46 gold
Greece has 58 gold

America are Annoyed with us
France are Polite with us
Iroquois are Cautious with us
England are Annoyed at us
Germany are annoyed with us
Persia are annoyed at us
Greece are Cautious with us

UberKrux led a warrior onto Persian land. This was against the plees of the acting VP, Timeline (who was running the turnchat), and without my knowledge (i was entertaining a friend who was visting from the army, so sue me if i rather catch up with my best friend then miss a turnchat)
FORTUNATLY, it has not dammaged our reputation too greatly. It is much requested these little exploratory forces not cross into enemy territory without explicit conversation among the SMC and the FAM.. and especially not when the acting turn-player advises against it greatly. Uber, this kind of bold action won't guarantee your vote from me .

Secretary Rodger's has information on the following nations.
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France:

1: The French see us as technological equals.
2: The French military is about the same size as ours.
3: The French look down upon our small culture status (and they might have reason to).
4: The French fear our spearmen.
5: The French have spearmen.


The United States of America:

1: The Yanks see us as technological equals.
2: The American Army outnumbers ours.
3: The Amercians have better culture than ours.
4: The Americans fear our spearmen.
5: The Amercians have spearmen.


Iroquois:

1: The Iroquois think they are our Scientific equals.
2: The Iroquois military outnumbers ours.
3: The Iroquois are spitting on our culture.
4: The Iroquois fear our spearmen.
5: The Iroquois have spearmen.


English:

1: The English think they are our Scientific equals.
2: The English military outnumbers ours.
3: The English are spitting on our culture.
4: The English fear our spearmen.
5: The English have spearmen.


Germany:

1: The Germans think they are our Scientific equals.
2: The German military outnumbers ours.
3: The Germans are spitting on our culture.
4: The Germans fear our spearmen.
5: The Germans have archers.


Persia:

1: The Persians think they are our Scientific equals.
2: The Persian military is of the same size as ours.
3: The Persians are spitting on our culture.
4: The Persians fear our spearmen.
5: The Persians have archers.
6: Our people are unimpressed by Persian culture too.


Greece:

1: The Greeks think they are our Scientific equals.
2: The Greek military is no bigger than ours.
3: The Greeks are spitting on our culture.
4: The Greeks fear our spearmen.
5: The Greeks have hoplites.

	09-07-2002 09:28									#3
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Nice site!
too many pop-ups though

I especially like the secretary. He's a very nice man.

	09-07-2002 09:29									#4
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Lol... i was actually looking for a song for my cousin.. and a Mr. Rodgers website popped up. it stuck in my head, and when I created the site, I figured i HAD to put him in

	09-07-2002 09:30									#5
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Moving through territory never damages your rep if you leave right away. Does it?

Geez, this opens a can of worms. Who has the authority to say no to the SMC for the first move in? What about in the case of the withdraw at once, OR ELSE message?

Is everyone a captive of the FAM? Is everyone a captive of the SMC?

	09-07-2002 09:30									#6
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	09-07-2002 09:32									#7
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Thanks for the suggestion. Ill give it a shot. It should prove especially useful on some of those errr... "adult" websites

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	09-07-2002 09:35									#8
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It seems any transgression into foreign territory invites a surprise attack at a future date if that aggrieved party thinks it is stronger.

	09-07-2002 09:40									#9
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Bah. I cannot accept that. I do it all the time.

My warriors go wandering as far as the land goes. On the way back, they are constantly crossing lines, being asked to leave, then being forced to leave (hopefully to the side of the strip closer to home). I've never seen a hit due to it. BTW, I almost never get sneak attacked.

	09-07-2002 09:44									#10
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On that topic. Some of the more experimental players send scouts and explorers to sit in AI land. The AI asks for them to leave (they almost never follow up with demands though). No diplomatic penalties have ever been noticed, even with scouts and explorers camped on resourses to deny their use for the AI.

	09-07-2002 10:42									#11
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Uber didnt cross Persian teritory because he had to, he did it cuz it was convenient. It was not on the way back, it was on the way out. And why should we at all cross into any territory if we dont HAVE to?

	09-07-2002 10:48									#12
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Because it has no effect unless we refuse to withdraw when required to?

	09-07-2002 10:56									#13
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if thats true, then fine

	09-07-2002 15:41									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot And why should we at all cross into any territory if we dont HAVE to?

It's seems like a good way of scouting interior AI territory -- particularly in the early game, when the territory hugs individual cities relatively closely so that a quick hike up an interior mountain gives us a good glimpse. Before mapmaking, of course, we won't be able to trade for this information.

	09-07-2002 21:05									#15
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it was either move onto the hill or waste two turns (and far less visibility) going around it. I consider the action worth it, especially because the negative effects are nil.

	09-07-2002 21:10									#16
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is your site connected to official site?

	09-07-2002 21:29									#17
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I would like to object about people in the future using their reports as a political statement, especially near elections.

This was an OFFICIAL report by a Minister, not an election debate, I think it was unwarrented and irresponsible to bring up voting in it. Your objections and opinion on voting should have been posted in the campaign thread IMO.

	10-07-2002 01:09									#18
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That's a good point, Unortho.

	10-07-2002 04:34									#19
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Despite that my little remark had a political edge to it, it is still a remark on another minister doing something that (to my knowledge) i should have been consulted on.

Although the political edge should have been left out, what am I supposed to do, shake a fist?

	10-07-2002 04:34									#20
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quote: Originally posted by jdd2007 is your site connected to official site?

the official site has no links to my site, and my site has no links to the official site.

	10-07-2002 06:00									#21
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My objection was with the line 'That kind of bold action will not garauntee my vote."

You can call him a bull headed, blood thirsty baby killer all you want, it adds a nice touch, I just don't feel ANY ministers should state where their votes may or may not go IN OFFICIAL reports that have nothing to do with the election. Now, I realize you didn't say "Now I will not vote for you." But it is implied.

	10-07-2002 12:11									#22
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Could you provied some up to date maps please? Thankyou, it would be much appreciated.

	10-07-2002 19:27									#23
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Up to date maps may be found at the Presidents report.

As to this date, I havent found a reason why maps would be immeadiately neccesary to my post, which has more to do with relations and non-resource trade, then geography.