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Lincoln
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LAW OF THE LAND
Pledge case
to be reheard
Girl's Christianity potential factor
in arguments before entire court
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Posted: July 9, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Diana Lynne
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
The judge who rendered the controversial opinion for the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals – that "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional – will not have the last word.
A Justice Department official who does not wish to be named tells WorldNetDaily the U.S. solicitor general has decided to authorize a rehearing before the full court, essentially giving the government a green light to appeal the three-judge decision before it had even filed a request to do so.
Justice spokesman Charles Miller said he could not confirm the information but added, "Attorney General John Ashcroft stated the Justice Department would request a rehearing en banc by the full Ninth Circuit. He's the boss of the solicitor general. So I'm assuming the solicitor general will approve of it."
The government has until early August to file the request. In the meantime, WorldNetDaily has learned the recent revelation that the daughter of the plaintiff is a churchgoing Christian who voluntarily says 'under God' in the pledge may potentially help the government's case.
As WorldNetDaily reported last week, Sacramento atheist activist Michael Newdow mounted the now-infamous legal challenge against Congress for inserting the phrase "under God" in the pledge in 1954, and against the Elk Grove Unified School District for its policy to have teachers lead students in reciting the pledge in class.
Newdow filed the case on behalf of his 8-year-old, whom he told the Associated Press he is raising as an atheist.
"It's my parental right to keep the government off my child," AP quoted Newdow as saying.
In the suit, Newdow claims that his daughter is injured when she is compelled to "watch and listen as her state-employed teacher in her state-run school leads her classmates in a ritual proclaiming that there is a God, and that our's [sic] is 'one nation under God.'"
But Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, Calif. contends Newdow's argument is fraudulent. According to Smith, the second-grader and her mother, Sandra Banning, not only attend Calvary Chapel at Laguna Creek in their home town of Elk Grove, Calif., but Banning teaches Sunday School there.
"The little girl, as I understand, was never offended by 'under God' because she does believe in God," Smith told WorldNetDaily. "I understand when the decision came down, the little girl came home and said to her mother, 'Well momma, I guess we can't say under God anymore,' and then she decided she could say it under her breath and no one would know the difference,'" said Smith.
Court records show Newdow and Banning embroiled in a custody battle over the daughter. Calls to both were not returned. A call to Banning's attorney was not immediately returned.
"I believe people need to know the truth," said Smith. "I think we need to know the agenda of the liberal court, that they would make a decision predicated on the little girl being offended when, in fact, she never was. ... They made a decision without delving into the truth of the story. It would appear to me they don't want the truth of the story, but rather they want a hypothetical case upon which to make the decision."
According to the Justice official, Newdow had to show standing in the case by showing that he's been injured. He did so by asserting his daughter has been injured and he has an interest in directing her education as a parent. Judge Alfred Goodwin wrote in the majority opinion, "Newdow has standing as a parent to challenge a practice that interferes with his right to direct the religious education of his daughter."
Could the case be considered a fraud, as Pastor Smith suggests? According to the Justice official, it would be fraud only if Newdow said something knowingly false.
Fox News reports Newdow admitted that his 8-year-old daughter voluntarily says the pledge along with her classmates in an interview following the ruling.
"This is more about me than her. I'd like to keep her out of this," Fox quoted Newdow as saying.
But Smith and other pastors throughout California are determined to keep the girl's reported love for God front and center by mounting a publicity campaign to win the case in the court of public opinion.
"The daughter has said she disagrees totally with what the father is doing," Pastor Wiley Drake of First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park told WorldNetDaily. "I'm upset and I hope there will be others who are upset. It's time for God lovers to stand up and fight the God haters."
As WND reported, Drake led a hundred demonstrators in a four-hour rally outside of Judge Goodwin's Pasadena house last week to protest the court ruling. Drake plans a similar event outside Judge Stephen Reinhardt's Marina Del Rey, Calif. home on Saturday. Reinhardt joined Goodwin in the 2-1 decision.
"Reinhardt is a renegrade judge and his wife is Ramona Ripston, the executive director of the ACLU in Southern Calif.," said Drake. "The ACLU has always tried to get rid of God."
David Madden, public information officer of the 9th Circuit told WND the judges would have no comment.
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I wish that these fanatical atheists (No, that does not mean that every atheist is a fanatic.) would stop trying to cram their religion down people's throats. This jerk is obviously trying to use his daughter to further his own agenda. Just a quick question:
Why do some atheists have such a vehement hatred for a God that they claim does not exist? Do they also hate Tinkerbell, Snow White and the seven drawfs? What a horrible thing it must be to actually have to hear something that you don't agree with. Should we also force people to turn their radios down so that people do not have to hear anything they do not agree with? Why don't these people just start burning books that they do not agree with so that no one has to have their eyes offended?
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Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see
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quote:
"The little girl, as I understand, was never offended by 'under God' because she does believe in God," Smith told WorldNetDaily. "I understand when the decision came down, the little girl came home and said to her mother, 'Well momma, I guess we can't say under God anymore,' and then she decided she could say it under her breath and no one would know the difference,'" said Smith. |
THANK YOU AMERICA FOR THE DAILY ENTERTAINMENT THAT YOU GIVE TO US 
so lincoln, please explain me: why hasnt the religious god-loving mother spoke until now?
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Lincoln
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"so lincoln, please explain me: why hasnt the religious god-loving mother spoke until now?"
Maybe she isn't interested in using her daughter. It seems like this will turn into a battle beyween the religious zealots and the atheist zealots with the girl caught in the middle. I personally think that this whole thing will turn into another Elien Gonzales type farce.
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St Andrews, Scotland.
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time: 05:20
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4/10, 3 points for the vitriolic bollocks of your after comment, 1 point for that mosquito bite of an article.
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I wish that these fanatical atheists (No, that does not mean that every atheist is a fanatic.) would stop trying to cram their religion down people's throats ....Why do some atheists have such a vehement hatred for a God that they claim does not exist? |
For the final time, Atheists don't believe in God, they don't hate God, since they're nothing to hate. Atheists deny God's existence, because they believe he doesn't exist, not due to some exo-freudian repression instinct.
I concede that many Atheists despise organised religion enough to want to dash it out, but even then thats an anger towards Religion and not to some God.
The situation in many American schools is that there is peer and teacher pressure to believe in Christianity from an early age. What campaigners are trying to do is remove pressure from the equation, so that a child may eventually discover what Religion/Non religious system is correct for them ---to make the School system essentially agnostic, not atheistic.
You certainly cannot say that it is completely fair to only bring up Theism in public schools, since there is little clear evidence for it. But also you cannot say that Atheism is completely true.
So why this duality? The removal of Christian practices, but not adding Atheistic teachings, is an agnostic system. Besides it devolves authority to Parents, which I think matters more in this instance.
PS at 8 years old, every child loves God, big ****ing deal.
Edit: Damn, must of got rid of the swearing trick, weasel-eaters!
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Lincoln
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quote:
Originally posted by Evil Knevil
4/10, 3 points for the vitriolic bollocks of your after comment, 1 point for that mosquito bite of an article.
For the final time, Atheists don't believe in God, they don't hate God, since they're nothing to hate. Atheists deny God's existence, because they believe he doesn't exist, not due to some exo-freudian repression instinct.
I concede that many Atheists despise organised religion enough to want to dash it out, but even then thats an anger towards Religion and not to some God.
The situation in many American schools is that there is peer and teacher pressure to believe in Christianity from an early age. What campaigners are trying to do is remove pressure from the equation, so that a child may eventually discover what Religion/Non religious system is correct for them ---to make the School system essentially agnostic, not atheistic.
You certainly cannot say that it is completely fair to only bring up Theism in public schools, since there is little clear evidence for it. But also you cannot say that Atheism is completely true.
So why this duality? The removal of Christian practices, but not adding Atheistic teachings, is an agnostic system. Besides it devolves authority to Parents, which I think matters more in this instance.
PS at 8 years old, every child loves God, big ****ing deal.
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Thanks, but you didn't answer the question. Why are they so offended by a supposed ficticious being? And why are they so afraid of their own beliefs that they must censor the word 'God' from their ears?
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Lincoln
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What if her mother does not agree?
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Lincoln
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Well then Lemmy, why do they go to so much bother to censor his name? The words in question are 'under God' not organized religion.
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Lincoln
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The word's in question are 'under God' etc. etc.
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
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time: 07:20
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What you Europeans fail to grasp is that the phrase "Under God" is not ideological but merely descriptive:
We burned women to death in Salem, Mass. -- in the name of God (they were witches, after all; if we let them live, they'd eventually encourage our children to read Harry Potter).
We exterminated whole peoples living in North America -- because God gave this land to us, not them (and how do we know? God told us so).
We justified the existence of slavery in the South -- in the name of God (blacks being the children of Ham and therefore condemned to servitude; as Kent Brockman once said, "It's in the Bible, people!").
We passed laws against the employment of the Irish -- in the name of God (Who, everyone knows, is a Protestant).
We looked the other way as the Ku Klux Klan ran amok, committing violence against blacks, Jews, and Catholics -- while marching under the symbol of the Cross.
We curtailed federal investigations of abortion clinic bombing -- because those bombing were the work of God-loving Christians.
We are a nation Under God -- in much the same way that Italy was once a nation Under Mussolini. God help us all.
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