10-07-2002 02:33									#61
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You guys are living in a dream world.

Modern 3D games have required 32MB video cards for a while now.

	10-07-2002 02:33									#62
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Looks like I should have looked at the system specs before I placed my order. I only have a 16mb card.

	10-07-2002 02:35									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Modern 3D games have required 32MB video cards for a while now.

Not the ones I play.

	10-07-2002 02:38									#64
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Not the ones I play.

Something tells me you're not a big 3D gamer since you've only got 16MB.

Most boxes say 16MB, but if you ever tried playing them you'll see the 16MB is for like 20 frames per second at 640x480x16...

	10-07-2002 02:43									#65
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Asher:

Unlike you, I'm not a rich ass bastard...

but damn... how much does a better RAM and video card cost? Cause I mean I want to get Age of Mythology like a year from now and that's a strategy game but it'll probably need more than what I got cause it's 3D

	10-07-2002 02:45									#66
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but why am i way, way, obsolete? this computer's only 4 years old...

	10-07-2002 02:45									#67
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Speer, get a job. I buy my own computer ****.

RAM is cheap as hell, video cards range depending how much of a shortsighted and cheap bastard you are.

	10-07-2002 02:46									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer but why am i way, way, obsolete? this computer's only 4 years old...

4 years old and you want to play a state of the art 3D game?

Graphics cards double in power every 9 months or so, processors double in power every 18 months or so.

4 years is a long time.

	10-07-2002 02:46									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer but damn... how much does a better RAM and video card cost?

Probably around $200.

quote: Something tells me you're not a big 3D gamer since you've only got 16MB.

I have quite a few 3d games and they play fairly well on my system.

	10-07-2002 02:47									#70
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I have quite a few 3d games and they play fairly well on my system.

Like...?

	10-07-2002 02:47									#71
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quote: Most boxes say 16MB, but if you ever tried playing them you'll see the 16MB is for like 20 frames per second at 640x480x16...

So, still playable, and it is the minimum. The only min I've seen for 32 MB VRam is this and Morrowind.

	10-07-2002 02:49									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui So, still playable, and it is the minimum. The only min I've seen for 32 MB VRam is this and Morrowind.

20fps at 640x480 is certainly not playable for a first person shooter like this, or most other 3D shooters. It may be fine in Morrowind, but this is a completely different style of game.

Keep in mind this is average framerate, which means you will probably get some maps/areas which are 5-10fps...

	10-07-2002 02:54									#73
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hmm... I need some quick paper... lol. maybe I should get in touch with this drug dealer I know... Cause I got a job, but I'm not making enough. 200 for the RAM, video, or both?


thanks

	10-07-2002 02:55									#74
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Speer, I know this is a far out idea, but did it ever occur to you to look at a store or at least those store's websites?

RAM and video cards can cost you anywhere from 20 bucks to 20 thousand bucks.

	10-07-2002 03:16									#75
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Probably around $200. quote: Something tells me you're not a big 3D gamer since you've only got 16MB. I have quite a few 3d games and they play fairly well on my system.

less than that(I would assume he would not want to go all out because the restof his system is probably old also)

videocard ~ 100
ram ~ 40

Jon Miller

	10-07-2002 03:52									#76
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You do realize of course, that if they only recruit 300 people because of this game, they will have made their money back?

	10-07-2002 03:54									#77
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Three hundred bucks should get you some RAM and a decent video card Speer.

	10-07-2002 04:45									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Like...?

Starfleet Command
Starfleet Command II
Starfleet Command: Orion Pirates
Crimson Skies
Swat 3
Sum of All Fears
Freedom Force
Warcraft III
Mechcommander II
Empire Earth
Homeworld
Homeworld: Cataclysm
Tachyon: The Fringe
Dominon Wars
Xwing: Alliance
Freespace

	10-07-2002 04:48									#79
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None of the SFC are 3D (they only look that way ).
In fact out of that entire list the only "modern" 3D game would be Warcraft III. And Blizzard intentionally designed that to work well on "old" systems.

By "modern 3D game" I mean more along the lines of Soldier of Fortune 2, Medal of Honor, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, America's Army (), Dungeon Siege, etc.

	10-07-2002 04:50									#80
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Define modern.

	10-07-2002 04:52									#81
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High resolution textures, high polygon counts, at the minimum support for hardwired T&L, preferably support for vertex and pixel shaders.

Warcraft III actually has extremely low polygon counts, but the artistic ability of Blizzard made it look a lot better than it should. Kinda like Diablo II in 640x480.

	10-07-2002 04:52									#82
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one that uses the new 3D features, obviously

I think he defined himself in such a way to get you DinoDoc

Jon Miller

	10-07-2002 04:54									#83
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Most of the games he listed are at least a year or two old, which is hardly modern when dealing with computers. In fact many of them weren't even 3D.

	10-07-2002 04:56									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Asher By "modern 3D game" I mean more along the lines of Soldier of Fortune 2, Medal of Honor, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, America's Army (), Dungeon Siege, etc.

I tried the demo of Dungeon Seige and it was playable on my system. I just found the gameplay to be a pale immitation of DII.

Jedi Knight II to was also playable on my system. I just haven't had the money to buy it yet. I haven't tried the others.

PS It's not fair to add stuff in after people respond to you.

	10-07-2002 04:59									#85
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Dungeon Siege works fine on my system too (even though I have a crappy P2-350), and the demo of Jedi Knight II was perfect on mine.

	10-07-2002 05:00									#86
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I actually added it in before I saw your response.

I'm glad Dungeon Siege was playable on your system. What do you define playable as, though?

When you're playing FPS games like America's Army you shouldn't ever (in the most ideal circumstances) have it drop below 35fps, but you could get by if it never dropped below 20.

You can't play these types of games with low framerates very well. You get your ass handed to you over and over again...

	10-07-2002 05:01									#87
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Only if you are playing online (you said these types of games, so I assume the single player component as well ). Since I never play online, I don't have to worry .

	10-07-2002 05:02									#88
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Oh well, I guess you'll learn to deal with the system's inadequacies.

I throw a hissy fit whenever I game dips below 40fps. The average should be around 75 for me or I get mad.

	10-07-2002 05:04									#89
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Well then you can continue to stay spoiled, you brat .

	10-07-2002 05:05									#90
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what does this hissy fit sound ilke?

Jon Miller