09-07-2002 22:25									#1
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http://www.americasarmy.com/

"Little Billy was bored. He had already defeated America's Army at the hardest level in single-player, and he was the total king of the field in multiplayer. His mod project wasn't advancing, either, since he couldn't decide whether to concentrate on textures of PlasmaBlaster or on his planned Martian jungles. He decided to check the America's Army site to see if there was anything new happening.

"What's this?" Billy wondered. "An add-on? Gulf War add on? Official? With AIR FORCE? Oh man, I gotta try this!" Soon he had downloaded the Gulf War add-on and installed it. Tutorials on flying were easy enough, and soon little Billy was flying on Iraqi skies. Bombing mission, with Billy flying some kind of a fighter plane even Billy couldn't recognize. "Probably that new model Army has been keeping secret" Billy thought. Iraqi air-force proved no match to him, and soon he saw his mission target, Saddam's palace. He saw that the bombers could drop their bombs, and watched the desolation ("Amazing realism!") until he had to start flying back.

From the living room, his father was calling. CNN was reporting live from Baghdad. "You better come see this, Billy" his father shouted."

Answer to your next question is: "Yes, I've read that".

	09-07-2002 22:31									#2
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quote: From the living room, his father was calling. CNN was reporting live from Baghdad. "You better come see this, Billy" his father shouted."

	09-07-2002 22:31									#3
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You know, I couldn't help of thinking about this Ender guy when I read that post...

... but that was only a hash collision...

	09-07-2002 22:34									#4
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There where a couple threads about this a month or so ago.

And I still say it's despicable.

	09-07-2002 22:35									#5
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I like it.

Unfortunetly my computer can't run it .

Maybe with the new one though...

	09-07-2002 22:35									#6
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quote: And I still say it's despicable.

Why?

	09-07-2002 22:36									#7
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yeah, it was mentioned in the OG forum.

but i don't think it's despicable, if the US wants to provide me with a free game, then fine

	09-07-2002 22:37									#8
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What an interesting use of our tax money.

	09-07-2002 22:38									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Why?

It's propaganda.

	09-07-2002 22:41									#10
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And the TV commericials the army puts out isn't?

	09-07-2002 22:41									#11
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So is advertising, Osweld.

Provided you have half a brain, you're not affected by it.

	09-07-2002 22:42									#12
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There are two games, actually. America's Army and another one whose name escapes me at the moment.

Frankly, I'd much rather our tax dollars go to create free video games than bombs.

	09-07-2002 22:42									#13
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quote: It's propaganda.

And...?

	09-07-2002 22:43									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And the TV commericials the army puts out isn't?

They are, too. I feel the same way about any advertisement or reqruitments schemes for the military. 'though this is a bit more dubious then television ads, in my opinion.

	09-07-2002 22:45									#15
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And so?

Army uses propaganda to get more recruits. What is so wrong with that? You'd rather they conscript?

	09-07-2002 22:49									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Army uses propaganda to get more recruits. What is so wrong with that? You'd rather they conscript?

No, I'd rather they didn't use propaganda.


I wonder why it's OK when it's your own governments propaganda - but as soon as you start talking about things like the Hilter Youth, or Jihad for Kids, it's wrong?

	09-07-2002 22:51									#17
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don't you know, you're own government is always right.

	09-07-2002 22:53									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld No, I'd rather they didn't use propaganda. I wonder why it's OK when it's your own governments propaganda - but as soon as you start talking about things like the Hilter Youth, or Jihad for Kids, it's wrong?

It is about the goals

or are you saying that the USs goals and methods of getting them are similiar to Hitlers

Jon Miller

	09-07-2002 22:54									#19
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What is the game like?

	09-07-2002 22:54									#20
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ok

I tried downloading this, but it won't let me

Jon Miller

	09-07-2002 22:57									#21
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whoa, wait a minute, it's finished and released already ??

	09-07-2002 23:01									#22
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Jon: Exactly.

What is the goal of the US Army propaganda? To get people to volunteer for the Army, but showing them what they do. How is this like Hitler Youth's propaganda? This smacks of an analogy that doesn't fit.

	09-07-2002 23:12									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui What is the goal of the US Army propaganda? To get people to volunteer for the Army, but showing them what they do. How is this like Hitler Youth's propaganda? This smacks of an analogy that doesn't fit.

Exactly, they want people in the army. They are reqruiting kids to kill and die on their behalf, to become loyal serveants to their government - just like the Hitler Youth or Jihad for Kids.

This is what propaganda is, it is the same no matter who is doing it.
I suppose the fact that most people don't mind their own governments propaganda while at the same time being outraged at the propaganda of their enemies is a testimony to how well it works.

	09-07-2002 23:18									#24
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You are too funny. Of course TV Advertising and Video Games are the same thing as constant bombardment of a certain view. Unless you have a channel that only consists of US military commericals, you are just being silly.

And what is so wrong with propaganda, no matter what form it is in? You going to ban companies advertising as well?

edit: One of the major differences is that Hitler Youth and Jihad for Kids is aimed toward KIDS. US Army propaganda is aimed for 17-25 year olds. BIG difference.

	09-07-2002 23:19									#25
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I still can't figure out how to download it

Jon Miller

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Click the link?

	09-07-2002 23:20									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Exactly, they want people in the army. They are reqruiting kids to kill and die on their behalf, to become loyal serveants to their government - just like the Hitler Youth or Jihad for Kids. This is what propaganda is, it is the same no matter who is doing it. I suppose the fact that most people don't mind their own governments propaganda while at the same time being outraged at the propaganda of their enemies is a testimony to how well it works.

did you totally miss my point?

Jon Miller

	09-07-2002 23:21									#28
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Imran
what exactly can't you figure out?

	09-07-2002 23:24									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui You are too funny. Of course TV Advertising and Video Games are the same thing as constant bombardment of a certain view. Unless you have a channel that only consists of US military commericals, you are just being silly. And what is so wrong with propaganda, no matter what form it is in? You going to ban companies advertising as well?

Huh? Where did you get all of that from?

You must be reading something that I'm not.

	09-07-2002 23:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo What an interesting use of our tax money.

Actually, in terms of recruiting. This pays off.

It didnt cost much in the way of taxes. You dont have to hire anyone, the army has there own programmers. The army also has there own CD manufacturing centers and publishers.

So was it a waste? I dont think so. I think it pays off when people Join up.

As for non-us getting ahold of it. Who cares? Go on Kazaa I can get anything from anywhere.