11-07-2002 12:19									#61
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Don't we all wish that "hindsight is always 20/20" could be "foresight is always 20/20"? A good deal of humanity's problems could have been avoided that way. Alas, such it is not to be.

Gatekeeper

	11-07-2002 12:30									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Seneca Benny Hill.

	11-07-2002 13:02									#63
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Civil War

	11-07-2002 13:10									#64
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Exploiting, starving and demoralising the native people of Canada throughout our histry.

	11-07-2002 13:14									#65
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And Celine Dion. *shudder*

	11-07-2002 15:52									#66
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Moving in next to a bunch of @ssholes.

We might be @ssholes, but we're the most powerful bunch of @*******s in the world, so if you don't like it, you can go to Mars.

	11-07-2002 16:52									#67
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Slavery. The basic contradiction between what the Constitution says and what was actually done seriously screwed us up.

-Arrian

	11-07-2002 17:39									#68
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Shutup troll

quote: I said I regret the way it happened. But it had to happen. Otherwise, had we halted at the mississippi. The french would of just populated the area and drove them out. And god knows, the french werent the nicest folks at the time.

You can´t weasel your way out of this one, faded. You endorse genocide (as you said; it had to happen), blaming the french is excruciatingly weak argumentation...

	11-07-2002 17:41									#69
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Australia's biggest mistakes...

1. Electing John Howard
2. Re-electing John Howard
3. Re-electing John Howard again

	11-07-2002 18:05									#70
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I think UK's best mistake is not acting to stop Hitler in the 1936-1938 period, instead of helping the France stoping him so stoping the WW2, the one down side would be a small local war!

	11-07-2002 18:29									#71
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Greece's biggest mistakes:

1. Megali Idea (1840s-1922)
2. Civil war (1944-1949)
3. Accepting a Bavarian king appointed by the major powers (1833)

Greek civilisation's biggest mistakes:

1. Alexander's decision to go to the East first and then to the West.
2. Keeping the Arabs and Turks out of Europe for 800 years.
3. The schizm (800 and 1054), though it was a joint mistake.

	11-07-2002 18:33									#72
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How can anyone say that nuking millions of innocent civilians wasn't Americas biggest mistake?

	11-07-2002 18:34									#73
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well said

	11-07-2002 19:16									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Phil_de_geezer How can anyone say that nuking millions of innocent civilians wasn't Americas biggest mistake?

Err... though it's a nitpick: it wasn't "millions."

Second, though I think in retrospect that the decision to drop the bomb on Hiroshima was wrong (I would have preferred a warning blast first), there are many who accept it as a means to an end. The casualty projections for a conventional invasion of Japan were pretty bad, both in terms of US troops and Japanese troops & civilians. It was in the context of an all-out war.

So, while I do think the nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were mistakes, I still rank slavery higher on my list of US mistakes.

-Arrian

	11-07-2002 19:20									#75
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I'm not going to start the A-bomb-rant here. Not anywhere.

But how about the genocide of the indians? Wasn't that a big mistake?

	11-07-2002 19:26									#76
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Yes, as a matter of fact it was. My choice was between slavery and what was done to the Native Americans. Since I think England, as the colonial parent, has to share in the blame for the NA genocide (though most of it is on us), I chose slavery. Either is a valid choice, really.

-Arrian

	12-07-2002 01:27									#77
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo I'm not going to start the A-bomb-rant here. Not anywhere. But how about the genocide of the indians? Wasn't that a big mistake?

Not according to faded glory

	12-07-2002 01:39									#78
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reinstating the monarchy was a big one, as well as screwing up Africa, the middle east, India and Pakistan (to name a few) with our Imperialism

	12-07-2002 01:49									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Err... though it's a nitpick: it wasn't "millions." Second, though I think in retrospect that the decision to drop the bomb on Hiroshima was wrong (I would have preferred a warning blast first),

I agree, a mid-air blast ten-twenty miles off the coast would have been a much better demonstration.

	12-07-2002 02:24									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I agree, a mid-air blast ten-twenty miles off the coast would have been a much better demonstration.

Yes, but then you wouldn´t have had the oppurtunity to inspect the damage it inflicted on living tissue. Why else would the Hiroshima bomb be uranium based and the Nagasaki bomb be plutonium based?

And why would the US have refused Japans wishes to sign a peace treaty in the summer of ´45? Before the bombs were finished?

Sorry, didn´t mean to turn this into another US-bashing thread...

	12-07-2002 02:32									#81
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quote: it wasn't "millions."

Yeah, you're right. Oops. I oughta get my facts straight before i post.

Just out of interest, why did it take two bombs to make Japan surrender? And then seeing as they didn't surrender after the first, how did their situation change to make them surrender after the second?

	12-07-2002 02:44									#82
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Since I already started... Japan was already beaten in the early summer of ´45. The US just wanted some guinea pigs for a live A-bomb testing. And to show the russians that you didn´t **** with the US else you get an A-bomb up your ass...


I refer you to
this article written by former CIA-agent William Blum

andthis page which has several very interesting articles despite the apparent trolling with the american nazi flag and all...

	12-07-2002 03:01									#83
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KX, what country are you from? I never figured that...

didn't read this thread either, and I'm drunk now

	12-07-2002 03:17									#84
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Alberta

	12-07-2002 03:19									#85
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Blisterz, you have the same avatar as Dr Stiby I think

So who of you is that gay guy, again? Sorry I always get confused when people use standard avatars

	12-07-2002 03:21									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Blisterz, you have the same avatar as Dr Stiby I think So who of you is that gay guy, again? Sorry I always get confused when people use standard avatars

If you are talking about the over sexed slutty guy that sleeps with just about anything... that would be me

hehe

	12-07-2002 03:23									#87
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the one who's in his early twenties, has had several women before and is now in his first gay relationship?

	12-07-2002 03:45									#88
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Ecth, I´m from Sweden, so I´m not far away...

	12-07-2002 03:48									#89
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Good. Are you all those different girls in your avatar icons?

	12-07-2002 03:54									#90
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Eeh, I think there´s only one girl... And no, I´m not she. I wish... If I were I wouldn´t be able to take my hands off me

In fact it´s the same girl (with another hair colour) that Paiktis has as his avatar.