12-07-2002 13:05									#1
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Anyway....

Why did Firaxis not use MENU.TXT as its normal menu? It would have been so much better, but they chose not to. Menu.txt is in the TEXT folder.

quote: ; ; menu.txt ; #GAME &GAME Switch To Detailed &Menus|F11 Switch To Simple &Menus|F11 &Preferences...|Ctrl+P &Warning Preferences...|Ctrl+W &Advanced Preferences...|Ctrl+O &Automation Preferences...|Ctrl+A &Audio/Visual Preferences...|Ctrl+I &Map Display Preferences...|Ctrl+M &Save Game...|Ctrl+S &Load Game...|Ctrl+L &Resign|Shift+Q Start New &Game|Ctrl+Shift+Q &Quit|Ctrl+Q #NETWORK &NETWORK &Chat|Ctrl+C &Voice Transmission|Hold \ Key &Pause|BKSP Customize Your Faction|+ Alter &Time Controls|Shift+T Zoom to Base Messages|* End Turn|Ctrl+ENTER Resume Turn|Ctrl+ENTER #HQ &EMPIRE &Government...|Shift+G &Mobilization...|Shift+M Change Research Goal...|Shift+R Design &Workshop...|U Civilopedia...|F1 Science Advisor...|F2 Economic Advisor...|F3 Interior Minister...|F4 Wonders of the World...|F5 Space Advisor...|F6 Defense Minister...|F7 Civilization III Score...|F8 View Palace...|F9 View Hall of Fame...|F10 Diplomacy...|F12 Review Scenario Objectives|= #MAP &MAP Mo&ve units|V &View map|V Toggle flattened terrain|Ctrl+Shift+X Toggle map &grid|Ctrl+G Toggle &base grid|Ctrl+Shift+G Show autoforward routes|Ctrl+Shift+B Terrain Sur&vey &Center screen|C #ACTION &ACTION &Build City...|B Join City|B &Bombard|B A&irdrop|D &Pillage|P Disband Unit|Shift+D Automate Unit|Shift+A &Explore Automatically|/ &Activate (Move Now)|A &Wait (Move Later)|W &Unload Transport|Shift+U Upgrade Unit|Ctrl+U &Fortify|F Skip Turn|Space #SCENARIO &SCENARIO Activate Scenario Editor|Ctrl+K Omniscient View|Y Create Unit...|Shift+F1 Edit Unit...|Ctrl+Shift+F1 Technological Breakthrough|Shift+F2 Edit Technology...|Ctrl+F2 Set Difficulty Level...|Ctrl+Shift+F3 Set Energy Reserves...|Shift+F4 Set Mission Year...|Shift+F5 Eliminate Faction...|Shift+F6 Reload Faction|Ctrl+Shift+F6 View Replay...|Shift+F7 View Movies...|Shift+F8 Reset Technology|Ctrl+F8 Reset All Factions|Ctrl+Shift+F8 Edit Faction Diplomacy|Shift+F9 Edit Custom Rules|Shift+F10 Edit Scenario Rules|Shift+F11 Edit Scenario Parameters|Shift+F12 Edit Scenario Victory|Ctrl+Shift+F12 Undo|Alt+Backspace Redo Load Scenario|Ctrl+Shift+F7 Save Scenario|Ctrl+F7 #EDITOR &EDIT MAP Save Map|Ctrl+F5 Load Map|Ctrl+Shift+F5 Place Elevations|1 Place Rocky Squares|2 Place River Sources|3 Place Special Resources|4 Place Unity Pods|5 Place Terrain Enhancements|6 Cover/Uncover Map Squares Place Minor Landmark Squares Place At Cursor|Ctrl+Left (+Shift paints) Remove At Cursor|Ctrl+Right (+Shift paints) Paint & Editor Only Mode|SCROLL LOCK Change Brush Size|7 Toggle Round/Flat Map Set Climate And World Parameters|8 (Slow) Generate Random Map|9 (Fast) Generate Random Map|0 Generate/Remove Fungus Randomize Rockiness Randomize Resources & Beacons Toggle Random Resources & Beacons Clear Map (All Ocean) and Set Size Apply Polar Caps Clear Terrain Enhancements Toggle "Editor Only" Mode|Ctrl+Shift+F10 #HELP &CIVILOPEDIA Index General Concepts Advanced Concepts Technologies Base Buildings Wonders Social Engineering Factions Basic Unit Types Chassis Types Weapon Types Defense Types Reactor Types Special Abilities Interface Tour Terraforming Tour Base Control Tour Social Engineering Tour Design Workshop Tour Drone Riot Details About Civilization III|Ctrl+Shift+F4 Show Version Number|Ctrl+F4 # ; This line must remain at end of file

Obviously things from here were programmed for it, because all you have to do is look at it: Science advisor? Wonders of the World? That would be Labrotory Status and Secret Projects respectively. Obviously some things were not completed (drone riots? although if you look in either the strategy guide or the instruction manual, you can find a picture of a city in disorder.....with that red face next to it?)

Why did they abandon this? I personally would have loved it. It would have opened options for a more powerful scenario editor. Obviously Civ3 was based on AC, so why overhaul the scenario editor and replace it with Civ3Edit, a much less powerful version?

It just doesnt make any sense to me.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I didnt see the thread. So sue me.

	12-07-2002 13:52									#2
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Maybe they were preparing for PTW.

There is also another possibility that I can think of. Infogrames wanted the product on the market and since Firaxis did not have enough time to complete it some things were left out.

	12-07-2002 14:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer Maybe they were preparing for PTW. There is also another possibility that I can think of. Infogrames wanted the product on the market and since Firaxis did not have enough time to complete it some things were left out.

But Alpha Centauri is already there! It's MUCH easier to rewrite old code (especially if your using the very same engine) than it is to make up completly new code. Why scrap the scenario editor and everything, and create "Civ3Edit"?

	12-07-2002 14:23									#4
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Remember, they claim that Civ 3 is a 95% rewrite of SMAC code, with very little left in place.

	12-07-2002 15:04									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Remember, they claim that Civ 3 is a 95% rewrite of SMAC code, with very little left in place.

Yes but *sigh* Why rewrite the in game scenario editor? It allowed you to place units, technological advances, cities, etc.....But now you can't do any of that. Why would they completly eliminate that part and spend more money creating Civ3edit, a much less powerful version of a "scenario" (read, map) editor?

Am I making sense? Its 4:30 and I'm tired....

	12-07-2002 18:21									#6
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Maybe some kind of bugs were discovered since some things were changed and they scrapped the in-game scenario editor.

Or, they decided to make Civ3Edit, since the interface is nicer, and deactivated that code.

Remember, Civ III was rushed to market for the Christmas holiday.

	12-07-2002 21:13									#7
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Just wondering...

"Hey, guys! the final copy we sent to Infogrames went with that file menu.txt"

(A moment of silence.)

"Never mind, the kind of public we're aiming for won't even notice it".

	13-07-2002 09:45									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Yes but *sigh* Why rewrite the in game scenario editor? It allowed you to place units, technological advances, cities, etc.....But now you can't do any of that. Why would they completly eliminate that part and spend more money creating Civ3edit, a much less powerful version of a "scenario" (read, map) editor? Am I making sense? Its 4:30 and I'm tired....

Likely, they couldn't incorporate the total features they planned in the SMAC editor. Especially the miniscule rule adjustments. Once the patch for the editore comes out, it will be far more robust a tool.