13-07-2002 02:39									#1
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Just having got back from a few days away, it's taken a while to catch up...

I'm still not completely up to date, but I see we're on our way towards implementing something... even if we're not 100% on exactly what that is.

I notice that a number of people have expressed interest in being a judge/justice.

Simply out of curiosity, who is interested in being a Justice/Judge (at this time)?

Note that we don't have full agreement on all the mechanics of the system but I think we have consensus that the primary function of the Justices will be to determine legality of polls/repolls and Constitutional matters. Judges *may* have the power to dismiss scurrilous impeachment charges before the public votes on it, but likely won't have the power to indict on impeachment charges alone.

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This is totally unofficial and has no bearing on appointments or elections so no need to explain or campaign. I'm just curious and want to get an idea of how much these positions appeal to folks here.


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List:
only those who explicitly stated they were interested were listed, not just everyone who posted. hope i didn't miss anyone

LordImpact
MrWIA
Togas
Trip
Epistax
Robber Baron (self-removed)
jdjdjd
UnOrthodOx (self-removed)
Thud
Skywalker
Nimitz
civman2000 (currently ineligible since he is a minister)
Micaelus
kring
Puupertti Ruma
Moral Hazard
Sheik
ThePlagueRat
Aggie
GodKing
Kramerman
Apocalypse
Decimus
Guardian
ManicStarSeed
Gepap
Jonny
Libertarian2004
Luk
trevor

me (Captain)
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Last edited by Captain on 23-07-2002 at 04:23

	13-07-2002 02:42									#2
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I would like to be one

	13-07-2002 03:14									#3
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Certainly.

	13-07-2002 03:36									#4
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Given my background and occupation, it'd be irrespondible for me not to include myself as a candidate for the judiciary.

I'm in.

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	13-07-2002 03:39									#5
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Pick me pick me!!!!

	13-07-2002 03:47									#6
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I don't know if I could be a judge AND an ambassador-- but a justice seems to have far more job security.
I've always looked up to the Supreme Court as the most trustworthy part of the government as an independent body.

	13-07-2002 03:50									#7
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I'd throw myself into the mix here, too, if I got the chance.

	13-07-2002 05:20									#8
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I've hinted at, and advised others directly that I would take such a position. The court needs to be independent, and I am not affiliated with either party.

Thank you, and Good Night Apolyton.

	13-07-2002 05:24									#9
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It depends on just how much time I have, and how much the paper takes, but for now, consider me as well.

	13-07-2002 05:31									#10
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I swear that i have never formed an opinion in my life, and would be completely unbiased if elected!

	13-07-2002 07:04									#11
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I would like to.

	13-07-2002 07:33									#12
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I would be interested.

	13-07-2002 07:51									#13
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me if i lose my election

	13-07-2002 09:48									#14
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I'm interested in getting more involved (already) and a Justice sounds dandy.

	13-07-2002 14:21									#15
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I am also interested.

	13-07-2002 14:52									#16
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Wow certainly we can't complain about a lack of interest for this
Will be tough to determine which people should be in...

BTW, It is too bad judge elections/appointments will be just after the minister elections. This way people who lose their elections can go for something else, because they do not want to have nothing at all

	13-07-2002 20:59									#17
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I would be interested in being a judge, although I am not sure if it will hinder my ability to participate in the rest of the game.

	13-07-2002 21:05									#18
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I would strongly recommend jdjdjd as one of the first primary judges of our nation.

He would make an excellent person for this job.

	13-07-2002 22:26									#19
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What would we use a judge for? The only way someone could commit a crime is the pres abusing his power. The punishment for that is obvious: banishment from the forum. Do we need judges for that?

	13-07-2002 22:54									#20
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So many judges and not one hangman ?

	13-07-2002 22:58									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Timeline I would strongly recommend jdjdjd as one of the first primary judges of our nation.

I strongly recommend to all applicants NOT to be recommended by any political star.

	13-07-2002 23:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod What would we use a judge for? The only way someone could commit a crime is the pres abusing his power. The punishment for that is obvious: banishment from the forum. Do we need judges for that?

Please read the first post where I outlined the general duties of the position as well as ambiguities that remain.


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Well, it certainly seems we will not be lacking for people willing to be Judges/Justices. If this becomes an elected position (rather than appointed & confirmed), well then....

Hopefully we can put together a really clear and concise amendment so you'll all know what you're getting into.

We've already established a consensus that Judges cannot hold other governmental offices, but one thing we haven't yet considered fully is whether or not Judges can hold other prominent positions, such as Newspaper editor or Party leader. There may be a conflict of interest there. Still, that's for another thread to debate. This is just to find out who's interested.


I'll also mention that I'm not actively seeking a position as a Justice seeing how there is plenty enough interest already (and I do occasionally take a few days break away from Apolyton), but probably wouldn't refuse it if appointed or elected. As is, I doubt we'll ever be lacking in Judges for this entire game. Still, if you're interested, post here. Trip or Ninot, whoever is next President, may be able to use this listing to set up appointments or elections.

	14-07-2002 04:29									#23
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Here's an idea: all judges must be independents. No party politics.

	14-07-2002 05:46									#24
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Here's an idea: all judges must be independents. No party politics.

That's exactly why I suggested jdjdjd, he is the perfect independant and would be an ideal person for this job.

	14-07-2002 05:56									#25
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Wasn't there a debate about whether or not they must be independent in the other court thread?

	14-07-2002 06:04									#26
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I wouldn't know. I've mostly ignored the debate.

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oops. Sorry, I'm an idiot.

	14-07-2002 07:11									#28
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The debate was unresolved. Some people changed their minds in both direction, so it doesn't help

	14-07-2002 10:42									#29
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I think the judiciary should be independent with staggered nominations to ensure independence, as well as 67% vote against them to be impeached. But that should be kind is being debated in another thread.

Oh and I'll signal my williness and desire to be a justice.

Opinions:
I am strongly against the judiciary taking any more power than is directly authorized by the people.

I believe that the only reason they can strike down a law is that it directly conflicts with the constitution.

If elected. I will ensure the judiciary keeps a list of all laws which have been passed. (This should take some of the burden off the president)

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	15-07-2002 02:55									#30
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I would be interested.