13-07-2002 21:24									#1
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I have a new unit idea. I'm not sure if there's anyway to make it, but how about a gunboat? It'd be worse than a frigate, but much cheaper. And the unique part of the unit is it can travel only on rivers and coast squares.

You see, the use of rivers is totally downplayed in this game. Just look at how important rivers were in the war between the states? I'm not sure if there is a way to make this, so please tell if there is.

And if there is a way, maybe some sort of river transport would be good to make, too.

	13-07-2002 21:27									#2
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	13-07-2002 21:28									#3
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doesn't the Frigate predate the Gunboat? Or is it just in Empire Earth that the Gunboat is made of metal?

	13-07-2002 21:38									#4
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Yes, I think Frigates predate Gunboats. If I'm not mistaken, Gunboats are steam driven ships.

	14-07-2002 01:49									#5
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That is a fascinating Idea.

If anyone can make it work, please do!

I can see the scenario culture will be as rich in civ3 as in II. Thank you Firaxis!

	14-07-2002 19:47									#6
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod I have a new unit idea. I'm not sure if there's anyway to make it, but how about a gunboat? It'd be worse than a frigate, but much cheaper. And the unique part of the unit is it can travel only on rivers and coast squares. You see, the use of rivers is totally downplayed in this game. Just look at how important rivers were in the war between the states? I'm not sure if there is a way to make this, so please tell if there is. And if there is a way, maybe some sort of river transport would be good to make, too.

You can't use ships on Rivers, it's considered a Land square. And there's no way to allow a land unit to only travel on rivers. Or any particular terrain for that matter. The only option available is the Wheeled flag, that won't allow movement on Jungles and Mountains.

	18-07-2002 07:28									#7
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quote: I have a new unit idea. I'm not sure if there's anyway to make it, but how about a gunboat? It'd be worse than a frigate, but much cheaper. And the unique part of the unit is it can travel only on rivers and coast squares. - johncmcleod

Cant wait for the gunboat .

quote: If I'm not mistaken, Gunboats are steam driven ships. -Ed o'War

Obviously johncmcleod, this unit would be a pattlewhealer. Are you going to have a large pattlewhealer on the aft of the boat (Like the mississippi riverboats) or side mounted pattlewheals (Both pattlewheals on the sides of the ship) ?

	18-07-2002 07:42									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Civfan01 Cant wait for the gunboat . Obviously johncmcleod, this unit would be a pattlewhealer. Are you going to have a large pattlewhealer on the aft of the boat (Like the mississippi riverboats) or side mounted pattlewheals (Both pattlewheals on the sides of the ship) ?

Well don't be waiting to long since it's not possible! Obviously you didn't read my previous post.

	18-07-2002 08:42									#9
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There is a graphic over at Civ Fanatics called the "Ironclad Ram", or just "Ironram" that looks very much like a Gunboat. That is the graphic I'm going to use for Gunboats in my Civil War scenario.

The only way for ships to navigate 'rivers' is to make them 1-tile wide coasts going into land. That's what I did on my Eastern US map to allow for a more realistic scenario involving the Mississippi campaign.

	21-07-2002 07:06									#10
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Sailing on rivers is impossible, but you could always make a coast-only boat. The Ironclads were almost useless on the high seas.