15-07-2002 08:25									#1
	Shoudl trade be allowed to be done between turnchats? Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

A great idea from Aggie and Uber in the July 14th turnchat thread that deserves to be highlighted in its own thread:

quote: thats a good point... should trades be allowed to be done BETWEEN turnchats? that could also apply to changing pruduction of cities etc. basically, like Civ2 MP, during the time when it wasnt ure turn you could do a lot of stuff. we should be able to. this will help a lot when i comes to a later age. with 50-100 units moving around, the last thing we need are trades ad city improvements wasting time during turnchats

What do you think?

If there's enough interest, let's do it. Or put it to a poll.

	15-07-2002 08:30									#2
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Yes. Why not? Not like we need everyone around in Real-time to watch, we can just announce what's been done.

	15-07-2002 08:34									#3
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I think a full turn could be played outside of the official chat, and then just dump the laundry list, or give the latest save to each, explaining what has happened.

This goes with the way I see turn threads-- One turn between each turn chat, through threads, officially tied up before the next chat starts.

	15-07-2002 08:37									#4
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This is a great idea! It will save us a lot of time. We should have a poll on this because this is a democracy even though there shouldn't be any objections.

	15-07-2002 08:43									#5
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I also agree : I devised the 2 techwhoring projects so far, and I can tell you it takes some time (1 hour for the first project, about 20 minutes for the second)
I've already done this in my 2 plans (after reading a wide acceptance) : I actually buy the techs before the president does, only to know what the precise selling prices will be.

Playing ahead to some extent for ministers will be needed shortly. However, once the ministers played a move ahead, they should order this move to the Prez no matter what

	15-07-2002 08:44									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Yes. Why not? Not like we need everyone around in Real-time to watch, we can just announce what's been done.

the only problem with this is that in july 14ths turnchat, we had something like 10 turns performed. There are GOOD odds that a good trade will come up once or twice in those ten turns.. we cant wait till turnchats end to start making deals, some have to be made in the middle of the turnchats, as long as the turnchat is 1 turn or more.

	15-07-2002 09:16									#7
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Ninot this would just be supplemental to those trades that could be done during turnchats. Also I have a question(unrelated but I don't want to start a thread just for it), is there any reason that the turn threads only play one turn. Once all minsters posted, could the turn be played. Then the save could be posted and ministers could send orders and so on. Just an idea
Aggie

	15-07-2002 09:21									#8
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Aggie : your idea is good. But turnthreads have never been tried before, in any DemoGame. That's why we have to experiment them first, to know if we can have more turns. Maybe they could even be worthy enough to comletely replace turnchats when too many things have to be done there ?

	15-07-2002 15:21									#9
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Definitely to the idea of techwhoring between turns, so long as democratic process is preserved (Sheik's right, we should have a poll on this).

	15-07-2002 17:18									#10
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This would save a LOT of time.

	15-07-2002 18:11									#11
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yes

	15-07-2002 18:19									#12
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A good idea, as long as the public is always aware of what is being done. Just in case that the ministers try to slip something past the population, of course it looks like we will have judges to deal with cases like that.

	16-07-2002 23:13									#13
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Sure, or at least the deals reviewed and planned, so when the next turnchat starts, the trades can be done right off the bat.

	17-07-2002 01:22									#14
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i'm in favor of it, but thats not to say that ALL trades have to be preformed in between them. The foriegn minister could look for trades during the turnchat and tell people when they find a good one.

	18-07-2002 01:08									#15
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I would like to start a poll for this issue.
it would state
Trading can be conducted between turnchats or turnthreads, if there is a general consenus that such a trade be made. Any ideas/additions etc.
Aggie

	18-07-2002 01:29									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Aggie I would like to start a poll for this issue. it would state Trading can be conducted between turnchats or turnthreads, if there is a general consenus that such a trade be made. Any ideas/additions etc. Aggie

although i am no longer the FAM ...
id like to point out that the FAM should have no hinderance of his plans. Thus, he should not have to poll on every trade he or she commits to.

	18-07-2002 01:58									#17
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Yes he should, though he can post polls on sets of trades if we're going to be tech-whoring.

	18-07-2002 02:04									#18
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We've been over this time and again, Ministers are elected so that the public is not bothered over every matter.

the FAM, or any other minister, should and will not have any hinderance unless it is of a matter that does concern the public immeadiately, such as a war.

	18-07-2002 04:00									#19
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Ninot, this in no way hinders the FAM, it simply allows him to do his job, where there is huge concensus, between turns as well. Mainly I want to avoid 30min of trading during turnchat if at all possible. Since trades, out of necessity, take time and research. I believe this power already exist I just want to make sure the people approve. Here is how I envision it. Example:
We set up forum, trade for mapmaking is announced for 195.
Then the next options are mentioned until all trades are completed.
Aggie

	18-07-2002 04:25									#20
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Aggie, i completely agree this is a good move, my only point of opposition was that there should be absolutely nothing FORCING the FAM to make poll's unless its for the speacialties like war.

	18-07-2002 04:58									#21
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Make the poll Aggie

Ninot, I don't think you have to worry. In strict language, the COL (Constitution) says ministers do not have to poll, nor do they have to listen to poll results. The term "general consensus" is vague enough not to be a substantial threat to the FAM's discretionary powers in trading. But if it makes you feel better, Aggie, could you reword it to indicate that the FAM has final say? (We can always impeach the FAM if we're outraged enough. )