15-07-2002 17:50									#1
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No iron anywhere on the map. Is this a bug?

	15-07-2002 17:55									#2
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Don't think so - this has been reported before.

Imagine having no OIL. I have had that.

	15-07-2002 18:16									#3
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Very unlikely, have you explored the whole map? It has happened before but the possibility exist that you can find it on the tiniest island in the most remote corner.

	15-07-2002 18:24									#4
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I've seen people here have it happen to them before.

	15-07-2002 18:26									#5
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Or maybe it could be under an enemy city. But with Iron I guess that's less likely.

	15-07-2002 18:40									#6
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It's already the Renaissance. I have the map of the entire planet. I've scanned the map thoroughly. There just isn't any iron. No railroads.... arghhhh.... nooooooo.....

	15-07-2002 18:43									#7
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It must of all been depleted. I always fought that when a resource is depleted, another is discovered elsewhere. I must of thought wrong.

	15-07-2002 18:57									#8
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No, that is true- new ones are always discovered.

There must not have been any to begin with.

Are ye on a mod?

	15-07-2002 19:00									#9
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I don't think it was around at first to begin with. No traces of a swordsman or a knight anywhere. And no, I'm playing the original, unmodified version with the latest patch on.

	15-07-2002 19:05									#10
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ive had games with no coal and games with no oil. it ruins the game if you cant build anything at the end but infantry( i guess i should be glad i had rubber )

	15-07-2002 19:24									#11
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I guess I'll just start a new game....

	15-07-2002 19:39									#12
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I had a game with no Aluminiun anywere on the map

	15-07-2002 19:51									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Iskandar Reza It's already the Renaissance. I have the map of the entire planet. I've scanned the map thoroughly. There just isn't any iron. No railroads.... arghhhh.... nooooooo.....

Consider it a blessing that you cannot build railroads - the military aspect of the game will now force you to think about how to conduct a war, and troop deployment becomes critical.

Railroads dumb down that aspect of the game immensely...

	15-07-2002 20:22									#14
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Perhaps you are playing the scenario Age of Bronze, i do believe that they removed all Iron on purpose.

	15-07-2002 20:28									#15
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Having absolutely no examples of a resource any where on the map is just plain silly. Firaxis, how about patching this?

	15-07-2002 20:32									#16
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quote: Originally posted by hexagonian Railroads dumb down that aspect of the game immensely...

You are right about that one. I am for limiting the movement on rails.

	15-07-2002 20:40									#17
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I think the problem is that there is no available terrain that can have the resources, this can happen when there are no hills/montans or they all have forest/jungle on them, this a result of the choices you make when seting up a map or picking random map.

	15-07-2002 21:16									#18
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Whether or not Hills/Mountains have Forest on them is meaningless. It is purely cosmetic.

	15-07-2002 21:31									#19
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Sorry I Could not check at the time.

	16-07-2002 03:05									#20
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Actually, I think I might like the challenge...

	16-07-2002 03:12									#21
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer You are right about that one. I am for limiting the movement on rails.

I want to see trains, so you can try and ambush them or bomb them and kill the units inside!

	16-07-2002 03:38									#22
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i'd like to download and play out your game please. a game without rails would be VERY interesting for the modern age... smaller cities, slower movement, interesting.

	16-07-2002 03:52									#23
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You are quite likely to get low or no oil if you choose a warm, wet world. There is often no desert and very little tundra.

	16-07-2002 03:56									#24
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quote: I guess I'll just start a new game....

Isn't that a little like throwing out your daughter because she doesn't have a package? What's the worst that could happen?
Surely nothing as humiliating as a diplomatic loss!

	16-07-2002 06:56									#25
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I suggest just you EDIT UP the ridiculously low resource appearance rates Firaxis gave us.

	16-07-2002 07:57									#26
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could yopu please provide the SAV? i could use one more game before friday

	18-07-2002 07:07									#27
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The true fix for the 'no iron' is found by decoupling basic units from resources.

Make a Tank, no resources.

Make an Improved tank, requires iron and oil.

The Improved variant may be slightly cheaper and have slightly better stats.

This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front with just a little intrepidity. As it stands, a country without oil or iron is screwed, and all too often it's the human player...

Venger

	18-07-2002 07:17									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Venger The true fix for the 'no iron' is found by decoupling basic units from resources. Make a Tank, no resources. Make an Improved tank, requires iron and oil. The Improved variant may be slightly cheaper and have slightly better stats. This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front with just a little intrepidity. As it stands, a country without oil or iron is screwed, and all too often it's the human player... Venger

Not only would it fix that, but then Firaxis could lower the randomness of battles, and then there would be hardly a chance of a spearman defeating a tank . And yes, it's happened .

	18-07-2002 07:26									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle I suggest just you EDIT UP the ridiculously low resource appearance rates Firaxis gave us.

Will this work for his current game?

I thought you couldn't mod existing games.


And I'd like to second the request to get a copy of this save file. I think I might like a try at it too.

	18-07-2002 07:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Having absolutely no examples of a resource any where on the map is just plain silly. Firaxis, how about patching this?

You mean patching it so it wasn't *possible*? I'd be very much against such a restriction. It would certainly ruin the "Bronze Age" scenario. Maybe have a preference to say to represent all resources, but not a rule.

quote: Originally posted by Venger Make a Tank, no resources. [...] This not only allows the game to still progress through the ages, it allows countries screwed out of a resource to still maintain a competitve front

What are you going to build the tank out of? Wood? With really tough paint? This would be completely unrealistic. I'm not enough of an historian to know how things were in ancient times, but resources were major factors in WWII. Japan's lack of oil lead it to attack Perl Harbor, and all parties were scrounging for all sorts of medals (the penny was not made out of copper during WWII because we needed the copper too badly).