16-07-2002 05:32									#1
	MOM: Any good halflings beyond slingers? Support Apolyton

My central city is halfling and slingers abound, but is there any point in building up the city more? I cannot remember what halfling units there are beyond that.

I must say that MoM is pretty bad for that one-more-turn syndrome.

	16-07-2002 06:44									#2
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Slingers are the top Halfling units available. You should make sure you have a Fighter's Guild so that they start as veterans (or whatever that first experience advancement is called).

You'll want a few Shamans around for purifying corruption and hitting units with missile immunity.

	16-07-2002 10:44									#3
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Good point.
Quick monsters immune to weapons/missiles are tough.

Do you know how to fix these volcanoes that Lo Pan keeps surrounding my city square with?

	16-07-2002 11:05									#4
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For transforming volcanoes you need the 'change terrain' -spell. Other option is to cast gaia's blessing on that city, and eventually it will be changed to a mountain. These are nature-magic spells.

And I agree about the One-more-turn syndroma.

	31-07-2002 16:13									#5
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The halfling swordsmen are good because they have 8 figures. Of course you may want to throw a spell or two on them to improve their quality, but properly augmented they can really dish out the damage.

	31-07-2002 18:23									#6
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Wasn't it so, that halflings have default -1 swords/figure? Well, not from spearmen, but the rest of them? Thus swordsmen have only 2 swords/fig?

	01-08-2002 10:39									#7
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo Wasn't it so, that halflings have default -1 swords/figure? Well, not from spearmen, but the rest of them? Thus swordsmen have only 2 swords/fig?

IIRC you are correct. This is why they benefit so much from heroism and other spells that boost their combat power. You add a few swords to eight figures, which is an enormous increase in power compared to the same spell thrown on a powerful single figure unit.

	02-08-2002 09:38									#8
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Actually, in my current game I have one set of elite? (is that the next one above veteran) swordsmen left over from the start and they keep spoiling my fun by killing everything when I thought I had a tough battle on my hands.

	02-08-2002 10:46									#9
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Matty; Elite halfling swordsmen? The 8 figures have 4 swords, 3 shields, resistance 9!, +10% to hit, and they are lucky (adds 10% to-hit, to-block and resistance)

Thus they have 50% chance to make a hit with them swords... pretty good for a basic unit

	02-08-2002 15:01									#10
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quote: Matty; Elite halfling swordsmen? The 8 figures have 4 swords, 3 shields, resistance 9!, +10% to hit, and they are lucky (adds 10% to-hit, to-block and resistance)

Yes. Compared to, say, an orc with 6 figures. they deal: 8 * 4 * 50% against 6 * 5 * 40 %.
Thus they hit 4 times where an orc of the same level hits only 3 times... Cast a few +spells on it, and the advantage grows even more.

	02-08-2002 18:34									#11
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Yep. Flame blade & giant strength on those halfling swordsmen... 8*7*50% = 28, orcs only 6*8*40% = 19.2
but for gnolls... they have default +2 swords... 6*10*40% = 24.... still less than those halflings...

	21-08-2002 21:56									#12
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In the end the Paladins will ride over anybody yeaah I know they are high leveled units but they are my absolute favourites. Even units from other races in the same rank as the Paladin don't stand a chance. Put the flying spell on them too and you have won the game as they even take out dragons.

	22-08-2002 01:07									#13
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I've been having a lot of fun with dark elf spearmen in my last couple games. You can build them for 25 shields with no city improvements; they cost no gold for maintenance. Stack a few together to take out easy monsters or neutral cities in the very early going; make the stack bigger, give them adamantium weapons, leadership, enchantments, etc., and you're rolling.

	22-08-2002 11:09									#14
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Galvatron - I agree, that paladins are great (because they are!). But when you get those adamantium paladins with flight, the game becomes a bit boring.

DaveV - I've noticed the same thing about those spearmen. The ranged attack is very effective against many opponents (with only a few shields). Since there are 8 of those spearmen, it gives a surprisingly heavy wallop on elite level. And same goes for barbarian spearmen.

	30-08-2002 06:50									#15
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[hmmm] dark elf spearmen...

	31-08-2002 04:05									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Galvatron In the end the Paladins will ride over anybody yeaah I know they are high leveled units but they are my absolute favourites. Even units from other races in the same rank as the Paladin don't stand a chance. Put the flying spell on them too and you have won the game as they even take out dragons.

Unless the Palidins have guardian wind placed, they ARE toast to elite halfling slingers.

	03-09-2002 21:33									#17
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Heh, in SMAC (or Civ generally) I'm a true builder at heart, but in MoM I'm just in love with... Berserkers!

Call me brute, but I like to attack first, and those thrown weapons are just lovely.
True, they are not all-purpose, they are slow and suffer ranged attacks.
They need thus the support of a couple other units.
Eldritch and GuardianWind/ResistElements make them pretty effective against most monsters, not mentioning Flight if you get it.

Anyhow, relating to topic, one of the most dreaded opponents for my Berserkers in the early-mid game, are indeed those pesky Slingers...

	04-09-2002 06:27									#18
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See what I mean, slingers can be a pain for a LONG time.

	11-09-2002 17:11									#19
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Another nice unit nobody's mentioned yet: Javelineers. Better stats than slingers (4/3/4/5/2 vs. 1/2/2/7/1), cost only 80 gold, can swim. These guys can do a decent job in melee after they run out of missiles.

Disadvantages: only 6 figures, no lucky bonus, cannot be equipped with mithril or adamantium weapons, need a fighter's guild to build.

	12-09-2002 02:56									#20
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Another nice unit nobody's mentioned yet: Javelineers. Better stats than slingers (4/3/4/5/2 vs. 1/2/2/7/1), cost only 80 gold, can swim. These guys can do a decent job in melee after they run out of missiles. Disadvantages: only 6 figures, no lucky bonus, cannot be equipped with mithril or adamantium weapons, need a fighter's guild to build.

So, again, inferior to halfling slingers.

	12-09-2002 05:18									#21
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I find Javelineers to be an expensive Jack of all trades.

	23-09-2002 04:52									#22
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MY favorite was dark elf spearmen also. The ranged magic attack helped tremendously in the early game.

Also, my whole objective, whenever I played, was to make the most incredibly powerful units. One of my favorites was to bring a barbarian settler into the underworld and build a city (I always made sure a city could share an adamantium tile, I would raze any city if it monopolized one) with an adamantium tile in it's radius to make Barbarian Berserkers with adamantium throwing axes.... yeah!

	23-09-2002 09:44									#23
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Bah, nothing beats trolls! Especially war trolls since you can just kite the enemey all over the battlefield while you heal

	23-09-2002 10:36									#24
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Yep, trolls are great. A lot of shields, hitpoints & swords. And of course, they regenerate (even dead ones after a victorious battle)

Just try war trolls with black channels cast on them

	23-09-2002 14:11									#25
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If only they wouldn't cost THRICE the normal... (IIRC).
Also, Trolls can't build Alchemist Guilds, so no Mithril or Adamantium for them.
And the only way to get them a Magical weapon is to use 1 pick for Alchemy.

BTW, NeO, I have always played assuming that Myrror was the UPPERworld
Is it just me?

	23-09-2002 18:38									#26
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Who knows how the planes are connected? I think of Myrror as the nether world, mostly because it's dark.

	24-09-2002 03:32									#27
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Well.... in Baldurs gate dark elves come from the underworld, and Myrror is dark , so I always assumed it to be the underworld..... realistically it's a whole different plane, but , ya know.

Hee hee, "realistically".