16-07-2002 23:04									#1
	New evil cheat found, via manipulation of Slc file. Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I did this to play Jbtw's mod. I used a cheat. By opening script.slc . I had no idea it could go over into PBEM mod. But alas, as I was playing a turn I noticed I had abotu 900,000 more gold pieces then when I left it.


Here is the cheat, open Script.Slc and put in this,

trigger 'DOR_T_Give_Gold' when (IsHumanPlayer(g.player) && (player.1.gold<=200000))
{
AddGold(g.player,1000000);
}


Now somehow it works over in PBEM. I immediately deleted and redownloaded the turn, replaced the SLC and its good as new.

	16-07-2002 23:07									#2
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I just hope it hasnt messed up that AW game .

	16-07-2002 23:08									#3
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Locotus this is news. I have no idea if it works in MP. theres a good chance it does. Who wants to test it?

	16-07-2002 23:21									#4
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faded believe it or not this is an old one it works both in pbem and mp. The only way to catch it in mp is to save lots. In pbem with a moderator it is easy to catch.
This is the only true cheat you can find on the internet under CTP cheats it's been around for awhile. Also note you can adjust the amount of gold so moderators have to watch carefully.

	16-07-2002 23:30									#5
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The cheat isnt practicle for PBEM. Why? Cause the money carries over to the other player. I just confirmed that. So if one person uses this cheat in PBEM, the guy wwho's turn he sends it too gets craploads of money too.
So thats good news

However the MP thing boggles the mind. How many more holes are in this game?

	17-07-2002 01:12									#6
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Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many

	17-07-2002 05:01									#7
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many

I need help fellas, Nechaev is a great player, i am not. I am trying to be though. I dont cheat, dont even know how to, if I did, I would be much more competitive than I am. I was playing Nechaev and he SWEARS I placed a mine in a forest. What I did was to terrafrom a tile to grassland. I saw the tile he thought was forest, but it was grassland. Well, I left, he captured my city, swears It was a mine in a forest. Can anyone please help me prove my case, because I dont cheat or alter files for MP, but..I also want him to realize that, and I have seen this too many times over the years, an optical illusion, wheeas it "appears" as an object ona tile, but in reality is one tile over. I have inadvertentley attacked a unit, moving to a space I thought was clear, only to have a unit there.

Has anyone ever seen a mine ina forest?..Not I and seen lots of games.

Thanks

Troll..

P S.. I am sorry Faded Glory if this is taking odd topic, just thought sicne you had your issue, I would also add mine..forgive me if this jack your thread

Troll

	17-07-2002 05:25									#8
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Did you play on Nacheavs map?

	17-07-2002 05:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Did you play on Nacheavs map?

No it was on mine, a generated map by setting up the normal way, I believe we were playing a small map, and we started out pretty close, it was near ocean and hills and I terraformed a forest into grassland and then a mine on grassland.

Troll

	17-07-2002 06:06									#10
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Well gliches like that happen in PBEM all the time I have had a few online but not many. In fact I was playing online last night just me and ai. I had an unfinished coastal area on the map. I accused the ai of cheating and left the game Seriously it did happen the glich I am lying about quiting I attacked and laid waste to the bugger

	17-07-2002 09:49									#11
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Mines in forrests was introduced with the combined Nordicus and Wes Whittaker mods for goods and terrain.

It have been tried before in other mods, but somehow they didn't find a decent balance of prod/food/gold before those two made what I think was the MedMod ver 2.? (?= can't remember the decimalversion - but I'm sure that I still have the files somewhere on a burned CD).

	17-07-2002 10:40									#12
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I always wondered why the Welsh (now romans ) had several mines in the forest outside of cities in Swissy2. It was interesting to say the least. I though maybe with the flood, the terrain had altered. Nope, not the case.

	17-07-2002 16:44									#13
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Nah if you try hard enough I guess you can even place mines in water during the Ancient Times, the game is so buggy .

	18-07-2002 23:00									#14
	Re: New evil cheat found, via manipulation of Slc file. Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by faded glory I did this to play Jbtw's mod.

I noticed that someone had downloaded it recently - was that you?

	19-07-2002 08:15									#15
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I have a couple of mines in forrests in Love Conquers, but I only get the 20 production point only
I think it has something to do with natural disasters but not sure.
I tried to terraform a swamp once into forrest but the tile got flooded before the terraform was done.
Guess what. After a couple of turns a single forrest tile showed up from the sea
So it might be possible started terraforming just before a flood occur and have the tile back

	19-07-2002 15:36									#16
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Back to the original topic...

quote: Originally posted by faded glory Locotus this is news. I have no idea if it works in MP. theres a good chance it does. Who wants to test it?

Nope, I'm afraid not. As blackice pointed out, it's the oldest trick in the book. SLIC is extremely powerful, which is good for making mods and scenarios, but it also makes cheating in MP extremely simple for those who know how to use it. I could easily write a cheat that gives me (and only me, not the other players) as much gold/units/cities/PW/science points/etc as I need every turn (I can even make it so that I can determine during the turn how much I want, it doesn't have to be a fixed amount: I can make a dialog of message boxes pop up in which I make decisions). Heck, I could instantly take over one or all cities of my opponents or even instantly declare myself winner, but I guess that would be a bit obvious

Ordinarilly SLIC is a great tool, it has saved the SP game from extinction (especially in the case of CtP2, but it was important for the CtP1 mods as well), but unfortunately it's impossible to prevent the use of it in MP As pointed out, the use of moderators and savegames and such can stop pretty much all of the cheating, that's the only way to ensure fair play in a game like CtP...

	25-07-2002 16:08									#17
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I just hope it hasnt messed up that AW game .

Are you sure?