17-07-2002 14:36									#1
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Anybody here never used a certain government?

I've used every government except Democracy!

	17-07-2002 14:42									#2
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sorry, i made a mistake on the question!
You should vote for the government you've not used!

	17-07-2002 15:04									#3
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I've used Communism for exactly one turn of one game, probably with the 1.16f patch. When I saw what my empire looked like under communist rule, I immediately switched back to Democracy.

Nathan

	17-07-2002 15:06									#4
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suppose it counts

	17-07-2002 16:02									#5
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I usually change from Despotism to either Republic or Monarchy (whatever is available earlier and whatever better suits my situation at the time). The next change is for Democracy. I have once switched to Communism because of a prolonged war for quite a few turns (played a Religious civ, so it was not a big deal). I can't recall feeling extraordinarily bad about my empire under Communism... but then, I did not try experiment with switching back to Monarchy or Republic... might have done better with one of them, dunno...

Otherwise, I try to avoid Communism as much as possible, for personal reasons... personal experience, that is.

	17-07-2002 16:10									#6
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I have never used communism, nor am I likely to. (I read the stats in the editor.) The AI won't even use it; at least in any game I have played. "Better dead than red."

	17-07-2002 16:29									#7
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i use it when i'm in a long war and war wearyness is getting bad and hard to control

	17-07-2002 16:46									#8
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I always go for republic. Low corruption. Low war weariness. Lots of trade. There is no need to go for Monarchy or Communinsm no matter how much war you do and Democracy is so damn lame.

	17-07-2002 18:25									#9
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I've used them all at one time or another, but I mostly just use Monarchy and Republic depending on whether I am at War or Peace.

	17-07-2002 18:32									#10
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You can change goverments? No seriously, I've tried. Nothing beats the whip!

	17-07-2002 18:49									#11
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I've never used communism. I'm pretty sure I never will. Monarchy is superior for war, Republic or Democracy FAR superior for peace.

-Arrian

	17-07-2002 20:49									#12
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I've never used communism either.

	17-07-2002 21:00									#13
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I use communism all the time......I sell it to the AI and then watch them self destruct in a long war by switching to it.

	18-07-2002 00:05									#14
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Interesting signature, but saying "I'm a liar" is not a paradox, because being a liar just means you have lied. It makes no claim as to whether or not you are presently lying.

A paradox would be to say "I always lie," but that could never be true, and any person would logically arrive at the conclusion that the speaker sometimes lies, because every person exists in one of three states:

- they never lie
- they sometimes lie
- they always lie

Obviously, if someone never lies, they could not say "I always lie," because it would be lying. If someone always lies, they could not say "I always lie," because it would be the truth. Therefore, the only conclusion is that the speaker sometimes lies, and they are lying by saying "I always lie."

Of course, there's always the chance that the statement was made in error or taken out of context, in which case more information is needed...

Sorry to get off-topic... Just thinking out loud

	18-07-2002 02:32									#15
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I tend to stick with using Republic and Democracy. I sometimes use Monarchy, depending on the situation. I never use Communism. In the games i've played, i've never seen a scenario where Communism was advantageous. Even when playing with Democracy, i've been able to manage War Weariness effectively through building the right city improvements and GWs. So my pick would be Communism.

	18-07-2002 02:35									#16
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My signiture is off what sombody said in a school play, but i couldn't remember it all.

	18-07-2002 04:49									#17
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I have, of course, used all of them, although I rarely use Communism and Monarchy. I prefer short wars and fight WW with luxury resources and spendings.

quote: Originally posted by miccofl I have never used communism, nor am I likely to. (I read the stats in the editor.) The AI won't even use it; at least in any game I have played. "Better dead than red."

The AI uses Communism very often, usually in prolongued wars. Check your military advisor window to see their government type. Because it also likes to draft like mad, its cities often starve. This was especially bad in 1.17f. There cities starved down to size 1-3. In 1.21f this was tweaked, but still big AI metropolises starve down to size 7-10.

	18-07-2002 06:08									#18
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I've tried communism once. Like most other former communist states, I will never do it again. In non-religios games I go directly from despotism to republic and stay there, as I hate long anarchy periods. Democracy is not that much better than republic if you have captured enough slaves to do all terrain labour.

In religios games, I choose whatever government that is best for the current situation (which communism never is). Too bad political correctness after 9/11 left out the fundamantalist gov option planned for CIV3. That would had been a killer for quick and dirty wars.

	18-07-2002 06:45									#19
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Olaf-Did Firaxis really change gov. types because of 9/11?

	18-07-2002 12:46									#20
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I thought Fundamentalism was taken out because of the same reason a lot of Civ2 concepts/units/improvements/etc were taken out: to streamline the whole game. Civ2 added a lot of new things on top of Civ1. Civ3 removed a lot of those additions and instead used alternatives to streamline it all (eg. replacable parts doubling worker speed rather than settlers upgrading to engineers).

	18-07-2002 16:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Kizami Olaf-Did Firaxis really change gov. types because of 9/11?

At least thats what I read here on Apolyton in the pre-release discussions. Some acts of terrorism was also taken away from the spy abilies, like plant nuke and poison water supply. However, it might be just speculation.

	18-07-2002 18:18									#22
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I've never used Democracy in any of my games. I tend to go to war often and for long periods of time and hate WW.

However, my play style is slowly changing and I should give demo a try! Shame on me for ignoring a govt. that everyone here raves about!

Communism, although I rarely use it, does have it's advantages if used correctly. But that's a topic for another thread.....

	18-07-2002 21:01									#23
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no, its a reason to use it, and is as welcome here as a reason not to use it!

	18-07-2002 23:16									#24
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SR
"Check your military advisor window to see their government type."
Do you have to have a spy?

	19-07-2002 00:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect I always go for republic. Low corruption. Low war weariness. Lots of trade. There is no need to go for Monarchy or Communinsm no matter how much war you do and Democracy is so damn lame.

Democracy seems to cut corruption very little over Republic. I conquer alot enroute to Alpha Centuri, so I pick up plenty of "guest" workers, so the 50% speed bonus isn't worth it. At the cost of making Relgeous civs less valuable, I it might be a good idea to use your editors to make Anarchy more like despotism, so government changes make sence, then give free units to Democracy, unlimited free units to Communism, and less corruption or free units to Monarchy. Unfortunately, you may lose a little historical accuracy make the governmnts more playable.

	19-07-2002 02:20									#26
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr SR "Check your military advisor window to see their government type." Do you have to have a spy?

No, but perhaps an embassy?

	19-07-2002 02:29									#27
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quote: Originally posted by jshelr SR "Check your military advisor window to see their government type." Do you have to have a spy?

Negative on that. Neither a spy nor an embassy is needed.

Just click on the right half on "The Army of {country} - {government}", choose another country and see its government type.

Btw folks, 1.29f is out.

	19-07-2002 03:22									#28
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WAHOO, 32mins early