17-07-2002 22:39									#1
	Ministry of the Economy Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I know it's a bit early, but I could not be here once the election is over.

With these words, I officially create the Ministry of the Economy, which will replace the Ministry of Trade and the Ministry of Finance. Our mission will be to provide officials and normal citizens with documented info, and to give advice on all things economics.

All the economic info of Apolytonia can be found on the Ministry of the Economy website

If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to voice them here, I shall listen carefully to you. If you have suggestions to make the site less ugly, they are also welcome.

Last edited by Spiffor on 17-07-2002 at 22:48

	17-07-2002 22:47									#2
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after looking over your tax and luxury page, i'd like to discuss this one:

Tax-Lux	Gold	Apolyton	Banana HQ	Termina	Tassagrad
80% - 20%	+6	1h 2c	1h 1c	1h 2c	1c

i believe this would be a good option for luxuries (20%), it would let our cities work at a size 4.

if all the shields arent wasted (and i dont think they will for our 3 core cities) it would be a godsend.

note: we'd have to mine another tile for Termia, it only has 3 mined tiles. just food is worthless)

	17-07-2002 23:06									#3
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UberKrux :
While entertainment might be a godsend during the war, I think it is too early for now.
- Apolyton grows in 8 turns if we work on the whales rather than a forest.
- Termina will grow in 4 turns, and it could really be interesting for this city. However, raising entertainment so that the 4th citizen is working will cost us 1 gpt and bring us one food if we work on a sea tile : the 2gpt the sea tile brings won't make up for the 3gpt lost overall. We'll have a new mine near Termina in 7 turns at least (with the worker S of Tassagrad).
- Tassagrad will be threatened by unhappiness in 15 turns
- Banana HQ will be threatened by unhappiness in 10 turns.

Overall, raising entertainment now will be useful only for Termina, and it will end up costing us 1 gpt. My advice (I can't decide on this matter) is to let taxes at 100% until a new tile has been mined on Termina. If we are to do this, I also suggest we work on the whales tile in Apolyton, so that it grows ca. at the same time.

	17-07-2002 23:48									#4
	Got spare money?

exactly.

(sorry, i didnt mean to do it now, i was talking right before termina became a 4)

we've got the same idea though

	18-07-2002 00:31									#5
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Perhaps you'd like to consider population control by building an extra worker or two.

	18-07-2002 00:46									#6
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Uber : so, do you agree on putting luxuries at 20 % in 7 turns, when there's a new mine near Termina ?

	18-07-2002 00:54									#7
	Suffering from ads?

We will be getting two squares of dyes if we capture the american city with them, I suggest preparations for a road be made. This would allow for another size four cities. Besides that, our next best bet will be France's grapes (coincidence?), good luck roading to that.

	18-07-2002 02:07									#8
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

another valid point. the dyes will help as well...

hrrrmmm

	18-07-2002 02:21									#9
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I didn't do the map precisely, but should we connect America, we'll do this in at least 13 turns. That's actually short enough for s to consider too. But I think we should mine / clear jungle in priority, and connect to (former) America later. In the meantime, raising luxuries could be good idea. Of course, in the long term, I favor luxuries over entertainment.

	18-07-2002 02:48									#10
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As science advisor, i must ask: is some funding coming to my department any time soon??

	18-07-2002 02:56									#11
	Support Apolyton

I can't tell, as my job is to give advice, not to decide. However, a semi-efficient research would be extremely expensive (it will bring us between -2 and -5 gpt), so I'd go for no funding at all until we get much more commerce in our cities.

	18-07-2002 03:08									#12
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I just think getting at least 40 turn science at the cost of just 1 gpt would be worth it. I think you should at least make a poll about having 10% science.

	18-07-2002 03:10									#13
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is it really worth it? im actually curious, not beign sarcastic or anything.

if we get the tech while we're researching it (trade for it, hut, whatever), we lose all the turns right?

	18-07-2002 05:45									#14
	Got spare money?

Yes we do uber, but I don't know if the reduced cost due to research toward a tech, makes up for the loss of gold.
Aggie

	18-07-2002 18:00									#15
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good point aggie

	22-07-2002 02:57									#16
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Last turnchat (Sunday 21 July), I had a temporary function as foreign minister. I designed some trades, for Sn00py to agree :
- sell Philosophy to the Iroquois for 25 gold and world map
- sell Philosophy to the Babylonians for 1 gold ans world map
- sell Philosophy to the Russians for 1 gold and world map

(the following part could need further negociations, as prices were discussed before getting Russian / Iroqs / Bab maps)
- Sell world map to the Amercians for 16 gold
- Sell world map to the French for 28 gold
- Sell world map to the Greeks for 7 gold and territory map
- Sell world map to the Aztecs for 1 gold
- Sell world map to the Persians for 10 gold

This will bring us 89 gold + some more geographic knowledge, which will compensate a bit the 223 gold we needed to acquire Philosophy + code of laws from the French.

Also, we'll be the only Civ to have some money, with French, Americans, Aztecs and Persians. All other Civs (Greeks included) will end the turn with no money.

	28-07-2002 19:11									#17
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The Ministry of the Economy website has been updated, with the addition of an archive section, and some minor tweaks (now the budget section shows the current treasury and balance )

	28-07-2002 22:30									#18
	Support Apolyton

I was just looking at possible trades and here are 2 that seem worth it
for iroquis- wm+44G for our wm
for England - wm+32 for our wm
since they will get our wm anyway since they will trade maps with someone else.
Also everybody, but babylon, will give us 1g for our territory map, i just didn't know if it was worth the time taken to make the trades during turncat, on the other hand if we make trades before turnchat that would be fine. Maybe when eberybody is there but before the official start.
Aggie

	28-07-2002 23:36									#19
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I favor giving civman 10% funding.