18-07-2002 04:12									#1
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In the days of civ 2, I ran across a mod which portrayed the world from 1871 to 1914, the golden age of Imperialism. Despite the debatable morals of that ideology in the real world, it's a whole lot of fun in civ. I have been toying with the idea of coming up with a similar scenario for Civ 3 and I was wondering what kind of help and/or feedback i could get for this project since the new patch (which is supposed to include the new editor, correct me if I'm wrong) and then the expansion are looming on the horizon.

Either this or a scenario/mod based on Harry Turtledove's "The Great War" and affiliated books which portray a frightening alternate reality in which the CSA wins the Civil War with British and French help, sending the whole world into the fire by 1914.

Any ideas?

Unrelated: has anyone come up with civ details for Brazil (a possible future world power) or the Plains Indians (Souix, Comanche etc.)?

	18-07-2002 05:57									#2
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I'be read all of the Great War books (including American Empire) and I think it would make a great scenario. Good luck!

	18-07-2002 06:05									#3
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A Great War scenario would be pretty cool. Either that, or one based on Guns of the South, though this might be a little more difficult to implement given the implications of time travel and all.

	19-07-2002 22:04									#4
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Glad to see I'm not the only one on the planet who's read these books, you two bring the grand total to 4. Would either of you like to help? I have little to no experience with mods, and it would be needed.

	20-07-2002 01:22									#5
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I ahven't read the books, but my friend has and he 's told me all about one of, em trying to get me to read it. Little does he know that I'm all backed up on books I gotta read/video games i gotta play/movies I got watch/etc. He was telling me about this one where South Africa goes back in time and gives the south AK-47s so as to preserve slavery. Robert E. Lee becomes president, but disolves slavery anyway or something like that... sounds like a good read. As for the idea in a scenario it would be great. I would also love to see an Imperialism scenario, but perhaps starting in like 1500 and with spain as the dominant power. It would be fun to play England in that one and try to usurp power from spain with privateers and stuff, not to mention some potentially great 'armada' sea battles.

Kman

	20-07-2002 02:04									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Chandragupta Glad to see I'm not the only one on the planet who's read these books, you two bring the grand total to 4. Would either of you like to help? I have little to no experience with mods, and it would be needed.

I'd be happy to provide feedback or give suggestions.

	20-07-2002 20:05									#7
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Kramerman - the problem with starting in the 1500s is that spain, germany, austria, and the new world would all be united under Charles V at some point. This would be a) impossibly unfair in favor of spain and b)impossible to remedy (i.e. to split up the nations cant happen in civ3 i think). 1871 was the end of the franco-prussian (or franco-german depending on who you're talking to) war which resulted in the official unification of the German Empire. At this point, all the major empires were in existence and ready to roll. Oh, and the Robert E. Lee book is called Guns of the South (also by Harry Turtledove) and is considered his best work. It's not at all related to the Great War, but it's still a good read.

I'm thinking I'm going to do two scenarios, which really wont be that hard. I'm thinking they'll essentially be the same with an extra civ and a few cities/colonies swapped around.

	21-07-2002 00:47									#8
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I've already been working on that exact concept.

But it wasn't a mod, it was a scenario by mike jezsenka (Hope I spelled that right.)

	21-07-2002 03:00									#9
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Dan - which concept?

	21-07-2002 10:52									#10
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The 1871-1914 Idea.

I'm gettin' along on it.

Not terribly realistic, but I hope it will be fun!

	21-07-2002 19:23									#11
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I think fun beats realism any day. The mod that took up countless hours of my life from civ 2 only had maybe 4 land units (5 with engineers i guess) that you would ever really use, and then there were perhaps 4 or 5 naval units, so detail isnt a big concern for me either.

	22-07-2002 07:36									#12
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ive read the first great war book and am reading the second, and have been "into" alternate history for some time.......i also know alot of history, so if you need some questions answered, fire away. i like to think i could be of some help.

	22-07-2002 19:47									#13
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I mostly need graphical assistance and statistical research right now (i.e., how big cities were in 1871 and 1914).