18-07-2002 09:20									#1
	Unofficial : our tax - science slider Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

There is a debate going on : should we keep our tax rate at 100% ? This poll is intended to get your feedback on thhis issue. However, given time constraints before next turnchat (thursday 21:00 GMT), this poll cannot be made official.
I will post an official poll after the turnchat, with up-to-date info

Current choices are :

1450 BC

code:

Taxes and Science

    
    
    

        

        
 Gold 
        
 Construction 
        
 Currency 
        
 Philosophy 
        
 Code of Laws 
        
 Literature 
        
 Map Making 
        
 Polytheism 
    

    
    

        
100% - 0% 
        
+9
        
-
        
-
        
-
        
-
        
-
        
-
        
-
    

    
    

        
90% - 10%
        
+8
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    

    
    

        
80% - 20%
        
+6
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    
  
    
    

        
70% - 30%
        
+5
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    

    
    

        
60% - 40%
        
+3
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    

    
    

        
50% - 50%
        
+1
        
40
        
40
        
30
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    

    
    

        
40% - 60%
        
+1
        
40
        
40
        
30
        
40
        
40
        
40
        
40
    

    
    

        
30% - 70%
        
-2
        
40
        
40
        
22
        
37
        
37
        
33
        
40
    

    
    

        
20% - 80%
        
-2
        
40
        
40
        
22
        
37
        
37
        
33
        
40
    

    
    

        
10% - 90%
        
-5
        
40
        
40
        
18
        
29
        
29
        
26
        
35
    

    
    

        
0% - 100%
        
-5
        
40
        
40
        
18
        
29
        
29
        
26
        
35
    

Last edited by Spiffor on 18-07-2002 at 09:43

	18-07-2002 09:27									#2
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I suggest you to think carefully before voting. Our minister of science, civman2000, pointed out that giving 10 % to science would only cost 1 gold per turn, and will have merits. Hower, our Supreme Military Commander, UberKrux, pointed out that all the techs are likely to be discovered by foreigners (and acquired by us) before 40 turns.

I just summarized their position. I think they'll explain their views better than I do. I also suggest to anybody involved in this matter to voice his opinion.

	18-07-2002 09:30									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

that's hard to read. or is it just my civ3 special light interface?

I opt for either 0% or 10%. either is fine by me.

	18-07-2002 09:45									#4
	Put an end to popups!

edited to show correct colours in all styles that I'm aware of.

	18-07-2002 14:05									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I think that I am right in thinking that a tech is cheaper to buy the more research you have done into it yourself. This being the case, does anyone know how much? Basically, i don't think we're going to get any techs through research at the moment. However, if half the research on a tech will reduce the price by more than 20 gold, this will be worthwhile. Anyone have a feel for this?

	18-07-2002 16:37									#6
	Increase the size of your Attachments

I agree with mtgillespie, it seems the A.I can tell what tech we are reaserching, and how far we are away from discovering it. For example, the turn right before you are about to discover a tech, go and see what the cheapest price you can buy it for is. I can almost guarantee you can get it for under 20 gold ( this could be wrong on higher difficulties, i play on regent, there might be a difference).

I think 10% would be the right amount of money to invest into our science program. Slow and steady, not enough research to actually discover the tech, but enough research to cut down the price.

	18-07-2002 18:01									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

10%...cutting down the price is definitely worth it, and who knows, we might be able to get a tech ourslevees.

	18-07-2002 19:49									#8
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

10%, I agree. I'm not sure my vote is entirely rational. In fact, it's probably just my old Civ2 habits, dying hard. I am impressed by the effectiveness of tech buying and whoring in Civ3 (this game, and stuff on Apoly's Strat thread, have been very eye-opening), but there's a builder deep inside of me who can't let go of the idea that I want my civ learning something.

	18-07-2002 19:51									#9
	Increase Your PM Length

100%. Tech whoring is fine.

	18-07-2002 20:45									#10
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I believe we cannot tech whore forever. Eventually, our funds will not be able to match the costs. If we research a single tech before anyone else, it will be worth a lot in trades.

Setting the slider to 10% only costs us 1 gpt now. In the future it might cost us a lot more. By changing it now, we base how we run with the 10% draw already in place.

We have been managing well with out current GPT and this change will not current effect it. We will be receiving one more gpt next turn from an expired debt.

It's just all around good.

	18-07-2002 20:55									#11
	Suffering from ads?

I also would like to point that we'll get 1 more gpt next turn, as our debt to the French will end. these 10% science are virtually free.

	18-07-2002 22:29									#12
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Tech whoring is self-sustaining. We sell it to other civs, so we get the money back and more besides.

	18-07-2002 22:36									#13
	Tired of ads?

I agree with most people here: 10%
The GPT drop isn't much at all, and as Spiffor mentioned our debt to the French will end next turn, effectively negating the GPT drop to science.

	19-07-2002 00:21									#14
	Got spare money?

10% science like everybody else it seems!!!

	19-07-2002 00:32									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by skywalker Tech whoring is self-sustaining. We sell it to other civs, so we get the money back and more besides.

I'm curious: does this continue to work in the middle and late stages of the game (when everybody is in contact with each other)?