19-07-2002 00:12									#1
	Which nuclear powers would you say are most likely to ignite a nuclear holocaust? Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

NOTE: Even though no one can be sure if Al Qaeda has weapons of mass destruction or may get some in the future, I put them on the poll just in case.

	19-07-2002 00:22									#2
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Brazil ? Argentina? Even Banania has more nukes than these guys.

	19-07-2002 00:36									#3
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I can see it now...

"Brazil-Suriname tensions have finally reached a breaking point. Brazil, fearing it to be overwhelmed by the Suriname hordes, has announced that it has been secretly squirrelling away money all these years to hire a super-villian to steal some nukes for it, so that it would not be caught undefended, and has demanded that Suriname pay 10 billion in reparations."

	19-07-2002 00:36									#4
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I don't know why there are so many votes for the US of A.

We would hardly start a nuclear war- We'd sure as hell finish it, though!

China and Russia are mean enough, but I don't think they're stupid enough.

North Korea, Pakistan, and Libya are very likely canidates. India might decide to make a preemptive strike on Pakistan.

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Either India or Pakistan.

BTW-- why is Argentina on there? Or South Africa (which unilaterally disarmed some time ago)?

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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn dp

what's that stand for?

	19-07-2002 01:08									#8
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dirty pie

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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 what's that stand for?

It means "double post."

For some reason, the delete option doesn't work, so I change one of the copies to dp so I don't look like such an ass.

	19-07-2002 01:33									#10
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North Korea, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran or maybe India

I wouldn't trust much the USA either... in this "war on terror" they might trigger something awful, and they already showed us they are not afraid to use them

I'm not sure about Israel... Personally I don't think they would... but they are in an exausting situation

All the others are just to unlikely.

Saluti

	19-07-2002 01:36									#11
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Al Qaeda, if they have any.

Israel, if in the relevant position of a war.

Iraq, if not watched carefully.

India and Pakistan, both are raving tits.

	19-07-2002 01:36									#12
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Hey, where is Egypt?

	19-07-2002 01:38									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn I don't know why there are so many votes for the US of A. We would hardly start a nuclear war- We'd sure as hell finish it, though!

You'd probably not start the war, but I do believe you'd be the first to use nukes. I mean, you did it last time.

	19-07-2002 01:40									#14
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Snapcase, using a Hungary flag as yours is just... somewhat cool! So much for Southeast Central European self confidence

I'd like to know, did you actually ponder between that one and Sweden's?

	19-07-2002 01:44									#15
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Yes. And Tanzania's. And St Pierre and Miquelon's.

I settled on Hungary 'cause I think many people here know I'm Swedish, but not quite as many know that I'm half-hungarian and speak the language fluently.

	19-07-2002 01:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine I wouldn't trust much the USA either... in this "war on terror" they might trigger something awful, and they already showed us they are not afraid to use them

Yes, but that was in an entirely different day and age, with an entirely different set of circumstances.

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That's cool. Next question (and last, just for the mods): what sort of profession are you heading toward by studying politics and philosophy (just thought about that one today, you see I think of you )?

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Ideally "World Famous Rock Star with lots of groupies". Failing that, I'd settle for either journalist or publisher, both of which I've been looking into.

	19-07-2002 01:53									#19
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Heh, thanks.

Anyway, many of those countries up there are officially no nuclear powers. And apart from a mysterious thing like Israel, I couldn't think of any country that wouldn't brag about having nukes, since nukes are there for deterrance, not killing (politically speaking).

	19-07-2002 02:00									#20
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quote: I don't know why there are so many votes for the US of A.

Pop quiz: who is the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons in a war?

quote: quote: Originally posted by Dan Severn dp what's that stand for?

Double penetration. (not kidding here)

	19-07-2002 02:03									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Pop quiz: who is the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons in a war?

And who wants to make a missle defence to defeat MAD...

	19-07-2002 02:03									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Pop quiz: who is the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons in a war?

Pop quiz:

quote: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in an entirely different day and age, with an entirely different set of circumstances?

	19-07-2002 02:04									#23
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Argentina??????
We had a nuclear program years ago, but we gave up.
However, we had a couple of nuclear plants.
Thatīs all!!!!
We arenīt a nuclear menace!!!

	19-07-2002 02:06									#24
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Or so you want us to believe.

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quote: Originally posted by academia Argentina?????? We had a nuclear program years ago, but we gave up. However, we had a couple of nuclear plants. Thatīs all!!!! We arenīt a nuclear menace!!!

Well, excuse me, but this is where I got my list, and unfortunately I didn't have time to read the specifics on each nation.

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quote: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in an entirely different day and age, with an entirely different set of circumstances?

Irrelevent. The fact remains that to this day, the US and the US alone, has ever dared to use nuclear weapons in a war. No other country, no matter how "evil" has ever done this. It's only logical to asume that a nation who has used these weapons of terror in the past, is more likely to use them again.

	19-07-2002 02:15									#27
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Marcus makes a good point actually. We are the only country to lose our Nuclear virginity, so to speak. So even not taking into account the current war on terrorism, it logically follows that we would probably have less hesistation to use them again.

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At the end of World War II, no one else in the world had nuclear weapons than the United States, therefore there wasn't the threat of M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction). After using nuclear weapons the U.S. had time to convince the world that the bombing was justified, before someone else developed nuclear weapons and retaliated against the U.S.

	19-07-2002 02:22									#29
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Considering how few consider that worst act of terrorism in recent history to be justified, the US has largely failed in that respect, I'd say.

The circumstances aren't radically different either. If the US could drop the bomb on civilians in enemy land without bringing down world opinion on itself it wouldn't bat an eyelid.

	19-07-2002 02:22									#30
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so basically , you're saying that the only reason the US doesn't use nukes now, is that it might get nuked itself ?