19-07-2002 15:50									#1
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1.29f civ3mod.bic has almost NO CHANGES compared to 1.21f, only:

code:

General Settings		1.21		1.29
----------------------------------------------------------
City Size Label	Level 1		town		Town
City Size Label	Level 2 	city		City
City Size Label	Level 3 	metropolis	Metropolis

	19-07-2002 16:01									#2
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ARe you sure?

Well, that's good to know for us modders.

What about the Ai changes then?

	19-07-2002 17:12									#3
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quote: Originally posted by =DrJambo= What about the Ai changes then?

Wouldn't the AI be in Civ 3 itself, and not the .BICs? It's not like they really have different kinds of AI for each civ that you can change.

What about units? Were those already in the 1.21f, but there just wasn't a way to put them in yet?

	19-07-2002 17:27									#4
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The BIC changes depending upon whether there are custom rules, custom maps, or custom player data. This time around, they added SLOC (starting locations), UNIT, CITY, and CLNY (colonies).

	19-07-2002 18:12									#5
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Question: if I install the patch, will I lose my mod?

	19-07-2002 18:53									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Question: if I install the patch, will I lose my mod?

Yes, AFAIK

	19-07-2002 19:03									#7
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That sucks . I don't remember all the changes I've done, and don't want to be redoing it all again. Any way around it?

	19-07-2002 19:11									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Solver That sucks . I don't remember all the changes I've done, and don't want to be redoing it all again. Any way around it?

Move the civ3mod.BIC file somewhere else, then move it back after you install the patch.

	19-07-2002 19:19									#9
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I did it once, and didn't get the new costs the patch had. Though, the patch doesn't change any units, so should be nice. Thanks .

	19-07-2002 19:26									#10
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No problem. Yep, that's the trade-off. But I'm sure most people would rather keep the settings they've spent hours tweaking than just get a few new features.

	19-07-2002 19:49									#11
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Back then, I found a list of .bic changes for that patch somewhere on Apolyton and added by hands. My mod isn't that big at all, but I wouldn't like to again tweak all the costs, values, etc.

BTW, I can't decide all the time if I should publish my mod. Probably not, it's just another mod, everyone (almost) has one.

	19-07-2002 20:28									#12
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In 1.21, I had saved my changes as a scenario and documented everything. There isn't that much. When I got 1.29, I went into the editor and made new changes based on my documentation.

One page MS Word (.doc) document. (Don't forget to rename it if you download it, due to the forum messing up download file names).

Attachment: jb's civ3 rule changes.doc
This has been downloaded 12 time(s).

	19-07-2002 21:24									#13
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I feel like a broken record here, but you should NOT be modifying civ3mod.bic.

Create a seperate BIC file and store your rule changes in it. The easiest way to do this in 1.29 is to create a new mod, then import the settings from your old (backed up) modded civ3mod.bic.

From then on, use the load scenario command to start a new game with your modified rules.

Trust me, it will save you a lot of headache and heartaches.


Dan

	19-07-2002 21:29									#14
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I find it funny that people are so lazy that they can't click on "Load Scenario" and find a file instead of "New Game".

	20-07-2002 03:53									#15
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quote: Originally posted by ColdFever 1.29f civ3mod.bic has almost NO CHANGES compared to 1.21f, only: code: General Settings 1.21 1.29 ---------------------------------------------------------- City Size Label Level 1 town Town City Size Label Level 2 city City City Size Label Level 3 metropolis Metropolis

Cool!
That mean I would not need to rewrite my MOD from scratch.

	20-07-2002 04:09									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Yes, AFAIK

NO YOU WON'T lose your mod!!!

Just use the IMPORT feature in the Editor to import YOUR mod values to the new one. It is simple. Worked for me. Move YOUR mod to another folder then import back in.


(I can't believe I am saying something in praise of a part of Civ 3).

	20-07-2002 04:44									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle (I can't believe I am saying something in praise of a part of Civ 3).

I'm sure you're not the only one

	20-07-2002 07:16									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Catt Coracle: (I can't believe I am saying something in praise of a part of Civ 3). Catt: I'm sure you're not the only one

Okay, did someone hack Coracle's account?

	20-07-2002 07:48									#19
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Yea, it is surprising - I actually found something that works in Civ 3!

Now, let us see Firaxis fix Culture Flipping, Settler Diarrhea, give us Diplomatic control of scenarios, useful subs and privateers, and a number of other things. . .

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	20-07-2002 08:37									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Now, let us see Firaxis fix Culture Flipping, Settler Diarrhea, give us Diplomatic control of scenarios, useful subs and privateers, and a number of other things. . .

Would you like some cheese?

	20-07-2002 09:20									#21
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quote: Originally posted by =DrJambo= ARe you sure? Well, that's good to know for us modders. What about the Ai changes then?

The Firaxians reported sometime ago that fixes/changes for the AI was not the focus of v1.29f. Which is a shame because so much needs to still be done. Personally I consider it a MAJOR bug that the AI won't use arty.

	20-07-2002 10:23									#22
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He will lose his mod if it is the original bic file he modded. Because the patch overwrites the bic file, among other things. Rename it something else, then download the patch, then import the file into the game.

Be sure to rename stuff like the pedia and other text files if you changed them also.

	20-07-2002 18:14									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS I feel like a broken record here, but you should NOT be modifying civ3mod.bic. Create a seperate BIC file and store your rule changes in it. The easiest way to do this in 1.29 is to create a new mod, then import the settings from your old (backed up) modded civ3mod.bic. From then on, use the load scenario command to start a new game with your modified rules. Trust me, it will save you a lot of headache and heartaches. Dan

The reason some of us started modifying the civ3mod.bic was because the load scenario command caused the game to crash. It may have been the early versions, or the hard coding, or the excessive changes that some of us did, or whatever .... but in my hands 1.17 (for example) didnt handle mods very well as scenarios. But then since we had to hack almost every change with those versions, they werent really supposed to were they?

	20-07-2002 18:20									#24
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Dan - why? Ever since I made my first modifications to the game, even before the first patch, I've been modifying Civ3mod.bic file. And had no problems with it, except for having to re-do it once, but no crash/stability problems. And since you're not going to release another patch.

BTW, Dan, will I be able to play PtW with all the new stuff there, but also using some modified rules from my mod?

	20-07-2002 18:45									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I find it funny that people are so lazy that they can't click on "Load Scenario" and find a file instead of "New Game".

Quick question. If you set it up as a scenario instead of the civ3mod file, does the Quick Start use your scenario, or default back to the base rules?

	20-07-2002 22:39									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Grunthex Quick question. If you set it up as a scenario instead of the civ3mod file, does the Quick Start use your scenario, or default back to the base rules?

Quick Start and New Game always use the civ3mod.BIC in the main directory, whether it's the original or a mod.

	20-07-2002 23:22									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I find it funny that people are so lazy that they can't click on "Load Scenario" and find a file instead of "New Game".

In the DyP mod we have made changes to the tech screens, added (about 60) units, renamed existing units, altered their order in the BIC (and thus in the Units_32.pcx), added (about 80) buildings, altered their order of appearance in the BIC (and thus the Buildings_large and Buildings_small.pcx). We have added resources, adjusted the Pediaicons.txt, Script.txt, Civilopedia.txt, and Civilopedia icons.

If you installed our mod and then tried to use the original Civ3mod.bic to start a game, it would be so full of errors, in the form of incorrect graphics and totally messy tech advisor screens. It might even produce crashes with the new tech icons scheme.

So what is the point in keeping the original Civ3mod.bic ???

If an alternate search path was added, so that we could store All modified files in a sub-directory under the Scenarios folder, then there would be a point in keeping it.

	21-07-2002 00:25									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Trip I find it funny that people are so lazy that they can't click on "Load Scenario" and find a file instead of "New Game".

Well they've made it even easier now since the ini file now keeps a record of the last scenario loaded. So it will automatically open up to the last one you played.

	21-07-2002 10:25									#29
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quote: Originally posted by isak If an alternate search path was added, so that we could store All modified files in a sub-directory under the Scenarios folder, then there would be a point in keeping it.

Firaxis told us in the last Apolyton chat, that PTW will have a mod-manager, so that every mod can have its own directory and there will be no need to change the original files anymore.

	21-07-2002 12:05									#30
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Thanks for the tip ColdFever - I never really doubted that they would eventually let us store mods in a separate scenario. I was just hoping it could have been in v.1.29f, but I guess that would have required one or two of those 8-day working weeks.