19-07-2002 21:41									#1
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Basic overview, i think the map may speak for itself.

Initial Attack: Archer/Spear stack moves NW 6 times then N twice. this bypasses the river, and there is no defensive terrain immediately surrouding washington, so that grassland is as good as the other 7. for stack defense purposes.

The initial attack is launching the second we get 2 spears and 6 archers. immediately after it leaves, i would like to begin amassing a small refresher army on the moutain again, consisting of 1 spearman and however many archers we can amass.

After Washington is subdued, 1 spearman and all remaining archers but one (one will be left in washington as a garrison / offensive defender) will move SE 4 times, and due E once. This bypasses the river (its hard to see on my map but it's there)

On the THIRD move of the main stack, the refresher stack begins it's movement. the stacks should end up at New York at the same time, allowing the refresher army to do its job, and to make quick work of New York.

this should get us Washington and NY easily. The question is do we want Boston or Philly as our third target?

Philly will get autorazed, Boston wont (im assuming it grows / get the palace).

leaving them with Philly leaves them totally crippled for a long time. leaving them with boston lets them grow a bit more, perhaps stay close in the tech race, and vassalizes them until they get too strong and we crush them.

i'm also makig this a poll so we can see which we should get.

Also note they may build more cities by the time we begin.

	19-07-2002 21:43									#2
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attaching would be nice wouldnt it?

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	19-07-2002 21:53									#3
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Excelent plan. I am not sure what you want by the vote - which one to take or which one to leave them.

I say leave them philly - we can take it at our leasure sometime in the future. This leaves us access to the unclaimed land to the northwest - although we will still have to race against germany adn greece to get it.

	19-07-2002 22:02									#4
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Boston. It would be a long haul for the troops, but establishing a strong presence as far north as we can throw our power is an urgent imperative.

A fourth option was not listed: sue for peace after taking Washington and NY. Assuming the capital has moved to Boston, I guess we demand Philly (not a great acquisition, but basically free. And one day well down the road, after laborious improvement, a good site.)

	19-07-2002 22:03									#5
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Uber, this is a difficult decison and I am not 100% either way. For the record I would like to get one of these cities in trade at surrender. They also may have another ciry by then so we can get both, One by attack one by surrender. The northern city opens up incense valley perhaps(and maybe there next city will be there) and this city won't autoraze as you pointed out. The southern city would secure our homeland and is a good point for starting the war with france, so if we attack that one our forces will end up at the staging area. If we autoraze this one I would want a settler ready to build on the nearby grassland. Hard decison, but I go with attacking the north one and hope they have another city and we'll get this in surrender. This would consolidate our land, I hate having narrow thin strips, they are jsut too vulnerable.
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	19-07-2002 22:05									#6
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Send our troops to Boston. If they only have Philadelphia remaining, they'll be too weak to do anything again.

	19-07-2002 22:05									#7
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Or sue for peace and obtain philly after taking NY, then move the stacks towards France...Boston can be dealt with in due time. Leaving them Boston will also let them get a few settlers out, and therefore more towns, for the next phase. (I know, you want them destroyed, but I am still advocating pruning)

Where are the American workers? They should be secondary targets if not near NY anymore.

	19-07-2002 22:05									#8
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The poll is which one to take, sorry for any confusion!

	19-07-2002 22:07									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Robber Baron Boston. It would be a long haul for the troops, but establishing a strong presence as far north as we can throw our power is an urgent imperative. A fourth option was not listed: sue for peace after taking Washington and NY. Assuming the capital has moved to Boston, I guess we demand Philly (not a great acquisition, but basically free. And one day well down the road, after laborious improvement, a good site.)

i disagree. while i'm not the IE minister, i'd say Philly is in a HORRIBLE spot.

not only for geographic concerns, but for fitting into any cityplan we could draw up in this jungle.

	19-07-2002 22:07									#10
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Did you provide time for healing in Washington ?

	19-07-2002 22:07									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT Did you provide time for healing in Washington ?

the stack wouldnt move until all are healed. it's more time for archers for the refresher stack anyway

	19-07-2002 22:10									#12
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i disagree. while i'm not the IE minister, i'd say Philly is in a HORRIBLE spot. not only for geographic concerns, but for fitting into any cityplan we could draw up in this jungle.

I APPEARS a horrible spot, but I am willing to bet it has gunpowder, knowing that the AI can see it already...

	19-07-2002 22:10									#13
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quote: Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx I APPEARS a horrible spot, but I am willing to bet it has gunpowder, knowing that the AI can see it already...

gunpowder on jungle?

maybe u mean rubber?

	19-07-2002 22:12									#14
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Sorry, yeah, I was confused on the names there for a sec. Thought you were talking boston...but rubber is likely, there is no logic to the placement...

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ADDITONAL COMMENT:
If we leave them with Boston, they could expand unchecked to the north (near Fragrant Valley and the Ivory Coast). Whereas Philly is much closer to home, and we could keep them under control more easily. Plus, we should probably have Boston if we plan on making Washington the capitol city of the new empire (unless we're building FP near Fragrant Valley - but that's another thread).

	19-07-2002 22:15									#16
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Unless we wait 10 turns before taking boston, it too will be autorazed. Those cities they make to the north can just be sued for in the next phaze, thus sparing us the time to send a settler team up there (unless Greece decides to take them...) We could end this war in 10 turns by taking Washington and NY, then gear up for France MUCH quicker while letting the weakened Americans build our cities for us.

	19-07-2002 22:19									#17
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Yeah, maybe allowing America to expand north works in our favor -- by staving off encroachment from other civs. (I figure those cities are ours anyway, eventually. )

	19-07-2002 22:21									#18
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I would say take Boston. We wanted to expand north and around greece, right? So let's do it. Puts us closer to incense area

	19-07-2002 22:30									#19
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If we extend the campaign to Boston or Philly, it will take more than 20 turns. To keep it within 20 turns, we should take New York first.

	20-07-2002 22:29									#20
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Make peace after taking Washington and taking/razing New York. Try to get Philadelphia as prize for peace. Right, it is a horrible spot, but a good placeholder and doesn't cost anything. We can later disband it by building a settler and move it to a better spot. So we'll have a settler for free.

Boston will be the new American capital, and will be taken later. Right now, it is not of much use, because it will be completely corrupt. Just let Abe build some more cities, they'll all be ours after a time. If we won't do this, we'll have to build all the cities ourselves.

	20-07-2002 22:44									#21
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Sue for Philly. Bottle the Americans in by taking Incense Valley and/or the Ivory Coast.

	21-07-2002 19:34									#22
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Why sue for Philly? Uber Krux was right, it flat out sucks as a city. Get Boston and sue for gold, gpt, and techs if they have them. As for leaving the Americans at Boston to stave off other civs, couldn't we do a better job of that than the Americans could?

	21-07-2002 20:23									#23
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True. Also, the Germans will do a far better job as a buffer than the weakened Americans.

	21-07-2002 22:52									#24
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hrm. i suppose we COULD sue for philly, even if it's worthless at this point in time. it does ensure that the french dont plop a city there to aoy us....

interesting...

	22-07-2002 01:09									#25
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Banana. Take Philly in peace terms. Immediately set it to build a settler and move the city to fit our preferred grid.

	25-07-2002 10:06									#26
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	25-07-2002 10:17									#27
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i went to the outback today (aussie resturant here in the states) so i have an aussie vocabulary...

errr...

bonzer?

	25-07-2002 10:25									#28
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quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i went to the outback today (aussie resturant here in the states) so i have an aussie vocabulary... errr... bonzer?

Who's Australian?!

OK, someone can't tell the enormous differences between Oz and Kiwi flags.

And I THINK it's "bonza". You silly galah.

	25-07-2002 11:01									#29
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Who's Australian?! OK, someone can't tell the enormous differences between Oz and Kiwi flags. And I THINK it's "bonza". You silly galah.

no, i can tell the difference, but again i'm an american.

you're whole continent is called australia. therefroe you are an australian as much as a chinese person is an asian.

this doesnt go back to the sheep does it?

	25-07-2002 16:50									#30
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I thought the continent was called australaisia. Although my spelling,I think, is wrong.