20-07-2002 00:07									#1
	GhengisFarb's First 'Jiggle-Motion' Leaderhead Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: I've finished all the .flcs for my first leaderhead with Jiggle-Motion and need to know what era to make the pcx's (the still pictures used in the CivIndex and at the end of the game) from. So, vote for your favorite age and I'll get the finished set up this weekend.

Ancient Times has been declared the winner!

Note: you can go to my website and preview the entire leader flic animation in gif format before you download anything.

Goto Downloads and Instructions

Here's a sample of Frames 001, 061, and 121 from Ancient Times:

	20-07-2002 00:14									#2
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Here's a sample of Frames 001, 061, and 121 from the Middle Ages:

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	20-07-2002 00:15									#3
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Here's a sample of Frames 001, 061, and 121 from the Industrial Age:

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	20-07-2002 00:16									#4
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Here's a sample of Frames 001, 061, and 121 from Modern Times:

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	20-07-2002 01:06									#5
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dude - you're a perv!

	20-07-2002 01:29									#6
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 dude - you're a perv!

This was supposed to be an EXTREME test of abilty to work with clothing and make it fit to the base model in four different ages. I think it worked, figure if I can pull this off I can pull off anything....

With PTW we'll need all kinds of new leadersets if we play with 31 civs. Besides, if the opposing players are distracted by your 'jiggle' they won't be paying attention to crappy deal your offering them....

SunTzu once said, "distract and conquer...".

Honest, he said it. Just nobody remembered to write it down.

	20-07-2002 15:24									#7
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Great job. ingone comment from right wing christian.

	20-07-2002 15:59									#8
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In case you missed the smiley, I'm the one that's actually been encouraging GhengisFarb for the last two weeks. Some people have no grasp of irony...

	20-07-2002 17:12									#9
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The Ancient Times outfit was something I just threw together - I tried all kinds of stuff for over a week and nothing looked right, but that's the one that appears to be winning!

I'm probably going to use a variation of that outfit on the remake of the two amazons leadersets, then Boudicca, then it's the fantasy leadersets.

Fantasy looks like:
2 Goblin races 1 female, 1 male
3 Dwarf races 1 female, 2 male
4 Elf races 2 female, 2 male
4 Undead/Vampire races 2 female, 2 male
3 Human races 1 female, 2 male

Ratios may change if I get a good idea for a leaderset, but I think that's going to be the culture groups.

I've got the bvh animations for an archer, greatsword(similiar to Scottish Claymore), and a one handed sword so I'll probably make appropriate units for each race, except the dwarves will substitute a great axe for the great sword.

	20-07-2002 19:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb The Ancient Times outfit was something I just threw together - I tried all kinds of stuff for over a week and nothing looked right, but that's the one that appears to be winning!:confused

That's because it's the one showing the most skin...

Btw- I don't suppose you could make the breasts more...um...round. I take it you used magnets in Poser 4? It's just that, in the right hand picture (presumably the angry one) they're a bit...well...freaky!

	20-07-2002 19:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 That's because it's the one showing the most skin... Btw- I don't sippose you could make the breasts more...um...round. I take it you used magnets in Poser 4? It's just that, in the right hand picture (presumably the angry one) they're a bit...well...freaky!

That's cause they're on an up bounce.

Check out a gif version of that animation.

But the other female leaders won't be that 'extreme'.

	20-07-2002 19:58									#12
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that was a picture of the left-hand animation. That's fine. i was talking about the one on the far right...

	20-07-2002 21:54									#13
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 that was a picture of the left-hand animation. That's fine. i was talking about the one on the far right...

that link is a gif animation that runs through the left pic to the middle pic to the far right pic....

	21-07-2002 00:45									#14
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GhengisFarb: I think the problem with the overall look of the Ancient Times outfit is that she actually has something covering her breasts. During the time period it looks like you're trying to portray, I don't think women covered their chests. So, it's not just that I like to look at her bare chest.

Also, I agree with zulu - the breasts do need to be rounded a little more. They just look strange. Other than that, you've been doing an excellent job with these leaderheads! I already have the two Amazon leaderheads in my Civ3!

	21-07-2002 01:13									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb that link is a gif animation that runs through the left pic to the middle pic to the far right pic....

ah - it's working now. For some reason, GIF aniamtions don't always play for me. But I've seen it now.

Looks good, although you might want to make the waist slightly larger, since it currently makes the back look out of proportion.

	21-07-2002 01:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 dude - you're a perv!

Sorry about that. He have to leave one board already.

	21-07-2002 01:23									#17
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In the ancient Mino civil on bronze and stone age Crete, the
woman wore than t-shirt like upper garmiz which left they
breast bare but left than opin to have it cover it need like cold weather.

	21-07-2002 01:26									#18
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what? the t-shirt had flaps?!?

	21-07-2002 01:33									#19
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quote: Originally posted by zulu9812 what? the t-shirt had flaps?!?

I wrote down somewhere what the woman wore I am going
to find it.
Caveman has bottons make out of bone with hole in then
to take thead, yet the more advance ancient and middle age
civil didnot have button, by middle age I mean the Dark Ages
from 400 Ad to 800 AD.

	21-07-2002 01:49									#20
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quote: Originally posted by IXIRandyIXI GhengisFarb: I think the problem with the overall look of the Ancient Times outfit is that she actually has something covering her breasts. During the time period it looks like you're trying to portray, I don't think women covered their chests. So, it's not just that I like to look at her bare chest.

I don't think I could post that at Apolyton.

quote: Originally posted by IXIRandyIXI Also, I agree with zulu - the breasts do need to be rounded a little more. They just look strange. Other than that, you've been doing an excellent job with these leaderheads! I already have the two Amazon leaderheads in my Civ3!

I'm going to address this one more time. She's supposed to be way out of proportion. I was using this to work on the methods of making the clothing props fit and move with the base figure and she was supposed to be an EXTREME test.

It should be a snap to make the clothing fit figures who don't have such extreme curves.

Got some new male morphs and body skins so hopefully I can finish a whole alternate set of leader flics (16) for use in 31 player games.

	21-07-2002 03:04									#21
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quote: I don't think I could post that at Apolyton.

Isn't that what your site is for?

	21-07-2002 04:40									#22
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I've also noticed that the hands are quite splayed: but then again, hands are always tricky...

	21-07-2002 20:22									#23
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It appears the Ancient Age is winning, so I went ahead and made the pcx's for that age. I have to play test them to make sure the transperencies work and then I'll post the finished set.

And I'm making a Barbaric Historically Accurate version (without top) to post on my website.

Funny thing about my website, I was getting 10-16 hits a day until CivFanatics informed me I couldn't post images/links anymore. Now my average is over 595 hits a day!

How that happened, I don't know cause the only way to find out about my site is to see it mentioned in a post in CFC or Apolyton's forums.....

	21-07-2002 23:49									#24
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GhengisFarb

Dude, do not apologize for any of your graphics. Remember the 1st Ammendment. Basically if someone doesn't like what they see, go somewhere else. I think that your graphics and animations are totally professional and for those of us who are mature enough to accept that everyone has different tastes appreciate your work. My question for you is whether you plan on just doing the D version or are you going to produce B and C versions as well? Personally I find the D version a little much but everyone has their tastes. I also think that the PCXs for each era is a good idea for both versions Dark and High. It helps with scenario modifcations and keeping track of which is which. With all the mods, units, maps, and extras it gets a little hard to remember which is which. Keep up the good work. For those that like flame wars, don't bother. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so no crusades here on moral values.

Conquer the world through whatever means necessary.

	22-07-2002 00:50									#25
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	22-07-2002 01:21									#26
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Only in American do we equerate nudely with sex. In Denmark they have woman taken off they top to sunbath or
woman wearing nothing in a family park sunbathing with nobody saying anything. Israeli is the only other nation that follow America in this.

	22-07-2002 17:05									#27
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quote: Originally posted by CharlesBHoff Only in American do we equerate nudely with sex. In Denmark they have woman taken off they top to sunbath or woman wearing nothing in a family park sunbathing with nobody saying anything. Israeli is the only other nation that follow America in this.

I fully agree, I think Americans have an obsession with pornography because we've made human nudity such a taboo. A man can walk around topless, but a woman?

Obviously God didn't have a problem with nudity cause he made Adam and Eve naked.

Sorry it's taking so long but I'm through the first two ages and no glitches yet. So cross your fingers....

Preview of the pcx images:

	22-07-2002 23:18									#28
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Nice work! Are you going to be working on the Amazon leaderheads next? I can't wait to see them with that Jiggle-Motion!

Also, could you please either post the files of the older Amazon leaderheads and their bubbles, or put them on your web site? I had to clear and reload everything on my computer, and lost all of the files...

	23-07-2002 01:42									#29
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quote: Originally posted by IXIRandyIXI Nice work! Are you going to be working on the Amazon leaderheads next? I can't wait to see them with that Jiggle-Motion! Also, could you please either post the files of the older Amazon leaderheads and their bubbles, or put them on your web site? I had to clear and reload everything on my computer, and lost all of the files...

Thanks, you can still download them at CivFanatics. Go to the bottom of the CivFantics Forum screen and click the upload file button. When it asks you to to browse for the files you want to upload click 'view uploaded files".
The High Amazon zips will be named
HiAmA01.zip
HiAmA02.zip
HiAmI01.zip
HiAmI02.zip
HiAmM01.zip
HiAmM02.zip
HiAmR01.zip
HiAmR02.zip

and the Dark Amazon clips will be named
cCupA011.zip
cCupA021.zip
cCupI01.zip
cCupI02.zip
cCupM011.zip
cCupM021.zip
cCupR01.zip
cCupR02.zip

Just click the name on the list and it will download them.

	23-07-2002 02:30									#30
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quote: Originally posted by sir_draconic My question for you is whether you plan on just doing the D version or are you going to produce B and C versions as well? Personally I find the D version a little much but everyone has their tastes.

Yes, the next couple of sets won't be near as top heavy.

quote: Originally posted by sir_draconic I also think that the PCXs for each era is a good idea for both versions Dark and High. It helps with scenario modifcations and keeping track of which is which. With all the mods, units, maps, and extras it gets a little hard to remember which is which.

Hmm. I hadn't planned on making pcx's for EACH era, simply because Civ3 only allows you to use one set. But if anyone ever needs a different era that the one that a set has let me know and I can probably make a different set.

Actually the pcx's are the hardest part cause Firaxis is trying to get pcx images to perform like gif images and they just don't like that one bit.