20-07-2002 12:34									#1
	UNIT: North Vietnamese Infantry Tired of ads?

Finished June 21rst, 2002.

Charlie is finally on Apolyton.

Attachment: nva infantry.zip
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	20-07-2002 12:35									#2
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Attacking.
No, he's not permanently green. His colors are civ specific.

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	20-07-2002 23:07									#3
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That hat makes it look as some animal with big nose at first sight.

	21-07-2002 00:07									#4
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	21-07-2002 03:08									#5
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it looks good

	22-07-2002 20:49									#6
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Looks fine to me - in time there could also be Vietkong as a unit (the black pyjama militia- would be perfect as a bicicle unit)

I suggest also to make the mortar unit with the NVA's head gear

	22-07-2002 22:41									#7
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Looks good ... except, NVA were armed with AK's (a Marine with that hat would make a great Vietcong heh - the Chinese supplied NVA with good helmets).

Historical accuracy-wise this would make an excellent Viet Minh soldier (from the Vietnamese independence war against France), since back then Vietnamese were armed with whatever rifles they could get, and that usually ment bolt-actions (like the one this guy is armed with).

Of course, that only matters if someone is making a very detailed Vietnam War mod.

Great work!

	22-07-2002 23:14									#8
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Believe me, I got my head bit off while I was making this unit in the OTHER civ forum. You can read the mauling in the preview thread. I put all of the historical accuracy aside for 2 reasons. I wanted it to be flexible, for example it can be used as a Viet Minh soldier like you said or a Chinese Infantry. Also, I just wanted to get it done. Besides, it's not like the Legionary from the game is accurate.

Thanks for the compliments! I'm surprised at how many people actually use this unit. I figured it would be my least successful.

	22-07-2002 23:49									#9
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Simple things often account for much more than one would initially expect them to .

I am using this unit for a generic Civ mod as early chinese "light infantry" (replacing the in-game "infantry" unit)

	23-07-2002 00:17									#10
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I'm actually contimplating making the Viet Cong using the Marines graphic.

I'll have to ask Crist2000 if I can change the Mortar unit to have the straw hat. In my mod instead of getting Artillery, the Vietnamese could get that as a flavor unit. Why the hell not? It would make it more interesting to play as perhaps the most powerful civ in the mod.

	23-07-2002 00:31									#11
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I too think that a fair number of flavour units make Civ3 exponentially more enjoyable to play

	23-07-2002 00:52									#12
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Here's a preview of Viet Cong. I made the green into black, but kept the civ-specific colors. I don't like it when units don't have civ-specific colors, especially ones with a wide variety of uses.

Attachment: vietcong.gif
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	23-07-2002 00:59									#13
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That looks marvelous... now we have Viet Minh and Viet Cong to play with

	23-07-2002 01:05									#14
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Excellent !!!

	23-07-2002 01:08									#15
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Who knows what this will lead to. Maybe I'll make an animated Minh leaderhead My still-life Minh leaderhead can easily be manipulated.

	23-07-2002 01:38									#16
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Plain marines look enough like NVA to just use them, but just in case you plan on making more detailed NVA, my suggestion would be to add leaves/branches (jungle camouflage) to the helmet and maybe back of a marine - I just don't think it would look too good since the helmet is only a few pixels wide and high, without much room for extra detail. Might help to tell marines and NVA apart tho.

	23-07-2002 01:47									#17
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That's what I tried to do when I first made the infantry. Branches and leaves don't turn out well.

	23-07-2002 04:09									#18
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Looks great!

	24-07-2002 03:53									#19
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I can't wait to download that Viet Cong soldier ...arghhh!

	24-07-2002 04:22									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos That hat makes it look as some animal with big nose at first sight.

Ha ha ha. Ya! Jarjar Binks!

Nobody is perfect, historically...but beautiful pic.

	24-07-2002 06:51									#21
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OK, I'm having some problems with the Viet Cong unit.

I replaced the green with the dark grey, I had most of the flics done, checking each and every one to make sure it looks good... and then... I take a really close look... and... THE HAT'S COLOR CHANGES WITH THE CIV COLOR! It's very slight, but it's there.

The only parts that change are the orange parts, so I'm assuming that the problem is red being the civ default color. But, it doesn't do this with the infantry I made which also uses red. Anybody know how I can convert red to blue and have it be the default?

	24-07-2002 07:09									#22
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I don't know much about how civ assigns civ-specific colors but here's what I think:

a) it's certain color/set of colors at a certain index in the palette, therefore to change anything you'd play around with that.

b) civ checks for a color component (say red, as in your case) of each pixel and assigns the civ-specificity of it based on that, in which case there are two things to try: one, maybe the mask against which it checks each color is some color in the palette again; two it may be in some kind of text file. Or it may just be hardcoded.

I hope I understood what you were asking in the first place heh .

	24-07-2002 07:41									#23
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Thank you very much for responding, I appreciate it but I'm already aware of what you just said What I need to know is how do I change the civ-specific default color for that unit to blue instead of red. Many of the units use blue, such as the worker and earlier units, so I know it can be done. I'll have to take a closer look at the images.

	24-07-2002 09:45									#24
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Just export it in FLICster with blue as the color

	24-07-2002 10:09									#25
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Hey level! Haven't talked to you in awhile. How are your units doing?

It isn't about exporting. I needed blue to be the default civ color instead of red (so what I make blue will change to the color of the civ). If I replaced red with blue or exported it like that, then blue would just stay blue and would always be blue even if the civ color was pink, and I don't want that.

Nevermind that though. I'm past that. The reason why the hat worked on the Infantry is because brown was already there. There is no brown in the index of the marine, so it relies on red to make it.

How do I add brown to the index?

I have minimum index image experience... as any graphic artist would stay as far away from it unless they're converting their RPG to a gif.

	24-07-2002 11:47									#26
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I got most of the units most of the way done but I keep starting more.

What I meant was export (you can export to the same FXM) in FLICster and change the palette to CivColor 6, it will still change with civ.

It is best to set all the colors in the palette to what you need before you start pasting.
Go to the the color index (in most programs dubble click the curent color) and dubble click the color you want to change.

To make sure it does not use civ-specific-colors you can change the non civ-colored civ-specific-colors (if that doesn't make any sense, it's the 2nd-4th rows in every other column starting with the 2nd) to a unused color then paste the stuf in, you can change the the colors back by changing a copy and pasting the entire thing back in.

	27-07-2002 10:17									#27
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Awesome!

Dude, if you can make a good German stormtrooper from WWII, that would also be aces!

	27-07-2002 16:46									#28
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But there is one already: Nonnob3's Waffen SS

	27-07-2002 19:46									#29
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Actually I was thinking of throwing one together for my mod with civ-specific colors because Argentina also used the same equipment and uniform.

	27-07-2002 19:54									#30
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... as did the Chilean Army