20-07-2002 20:14									#1
	REQUEST: 31 civ wolrd map Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

there are a lot of great world maps out there, usually with too little civs in it. now that 31 civs are possible, does someone feel like doing such a mod?

i don't care about UUs and graphics (yet), i just want to play a densely populated world map

	20-07-2002 20:37									#2
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I'd suggest:

1. Iroquois (Maybe Canada...)
   
2. America
   
3. Aztecs
   
4. Incas
   
5. Brazil
   
6. England
   
7. France
   
8. The Netherlands
   
9. Spain
   
10. Poland
    
11. Russia
    
12. Vikings
    
13. Mongols
    
14. Chinese
    
15. Tibet (Khmer?)
    
16. Japanese
    
17. Indians
    
18. Koreans
    
19. Thailand
    
20. Rome
    
21. Greece
    
22. Egypt
    
23. Carthage
    
24. Persia
    
25. Babylon
    
26. Israel
    
27. Zulus
    
28. Ethiopia
    
29. Australia
    
30. Polynesia
    
31. Indonesia
    

	20-07-2002 21:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I'd suggest: Iroquois (Maybe Canada...) America Aztecs Incas Brazil England France The Netherlands Spain Poland Russia Vikings Mongols Chinese Tibet (Khmer?) Japanese Indians Koreans Thailand Rome Greece Egypt Carthage Persia Babylon Israel Zulus Ethiopia Australia Polynesia Indonesia

mmhhh, interesting. that looks a lot like modern nations, except some extinct ones like babylon and persia.

i specially like your proposition of polynesians... but make sure they get a very primitive (e.g. coracle: 0|0|1, load 1, only coastal tiles) and cheap boat early on to get to other island... same for english on smaller maps.

for geographical distribution reason, i change following:
- south america definetly has to have another one or two more civs. e.g. inca/peru (as you said) and argentina
- middle of present russia is too empty. maybe add khazakstan
- europe is overcrowded: dutch would be nice to have, but between german, english, french... naw... poland between germans and russians maybe better not.
- middle east is full too --> take babs+carthage out, maybe instead take israel
- north america could use another tribe too: e.g. inuit or canada
- thai, korea, khmer, china, japan, tibet... getting a bit close there too

btw: i just read in 1.29f readme, that you can use 32 civs (not 31 as i thought)
otoh: in the editor you can't set >16 civs in the world sizes tab --> bug?

	20-07-2002 21:11									#4
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I dont think you can play with 31 civs on a map yet anyways. The most it will let you set a map size to allow currently is 16, its just possible to have 31 total possible civs to choose from.

I do remember reading, however, that they planned to change it to allow you to play with 31 civs in ptw, and it may even work now if someone hacked the map sizes part of a bic to tell it to allow more than 16 civs in a game, but I sort of doubt it.

	20-07-2002 21:13									#5
	Got spare money?

I think you might be able to have a world map with all 31 correct starting locations, though, since you can place such things by civ instead of by player.

	21-07-2002 01:11									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Warrior I'd suggest: Iroquois (Maybe Canada...) America Aztecs Incas Brazil

Canada would be a poor replacement for Iroqs, and one NA indegenous civ. is best. Brazil is an interesting idea for an Eastern SA civ.

quote: England France The Netherlands Spain Poland Russia Vikings

I agree with sabrewolf that dutch too crowded.

quote: Mongols Chinese Tibet (Khmer?) Japanese Indians Koreans Thailand

Perhaps puttng in the khmer (cambodians) would be better than thai, same area. Tietans are an interesting inclusion.

quote: Rome Greece Egypt Carthage Persia Babylon Israel

In a real world map, there is realy no way to fit Israel, which is too close to babylon on anything other than a map just of the area. In short, the area far too crowded.

quote: Zulus Ethiopia Australia Polynesia Indonesia

Astralia would best be colonized by the polynesians and indonesians, so making Aussies a civ would deny both the Poly's and Indonesians space. Another african civ, such as Mali or another west african civ would fill a gap in africa.
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