22-07-2002 21:19									#1
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Just curious, which games would you say is the best games of the year? And this is only games that have been released, not "to-be-released" games...

You can vote as many as you wish, but post your top 3 here

PS. Sorry if I forgot some games, or if some of those games are not from this year...

Anyway, my top 3 is: (Not neccesarily in that order)

Warcraft III
Grand Theft Auto III
Soldier of Fortune II

	22-07-2002 22:01									#2
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I only have SimGolf. I need to get Freedom force and Morrowind to better check out NetImmerse engine though.

	22-07-2002 22:09									#3
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Fifa: World Cup edition...cool with friends
Kohan: Ahrimans Gift...the way RTS should be, no more villager pushing(www.timegate.com)

	22-07-2002 22:18									#4
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MORROWIND!!

	22-07-2002 22:24									#5
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Europa Universalis 2

and MOHAA

	22-07-2002 22:39									#6
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top 3:

NWN
Warcraft III
Jedi Knight II

	22-07-2002 22:46									#7
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Morrowind and GTA III. The only other one I played up there was Return to Castle Wolfenstein, but it certainly doesn't deserve a vote--it was fun, but nothing special.

	22-07-2002 22:59									#8
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Of those games listed the only one I have is Warcraft III, which I only got last week, so thats the only one I voted for

	22-07-2002 23:02									#9
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Yeez. Only one I played on that list is War3. Okay, I played 2 minutes of GTA3, but that was the PS2 version and this is definitely a PC poll, and I wouldn't vote for it anyway (a massively overrated game, IMHO). And I haven't played enough of the full version of War3 to conclusively vote for that, either. The demo to Dungeon Siege was fun, but I'm waiting for the price to drop.

AOW2 looks like a keeper so far. HOMM4 may or may not be good, haven't played it yet, although the reviews seem to have been mixed.

	22-07-2002 23:49									#10
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Here's my top three:
Combat Mission
Uncommon Valour
Space Empires IV Gold

	23-07-2002 01:33									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Of those games listed the only one I have is Warcraft III,

Are you playing online yet?

	23-07-2002 02:26									#12
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Not yet. I want to finish the quests first, play a few rounds against the computer. Generally get a feel for the game.

Maybe in a fortnight or so. Put my toe in the water.

Unfortunately I'm studying for exams in August/September so I won't be able to play much. However, come September 12, and my last exam, I will have a whole fortnight off work to get some hardcore gaming practice in.

	23-07-2002 02:36									#13
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PM me whenever your up for a game then. I like playing against people from Apolyton even when they beat me.

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	23-07-2002 20:36									#15
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d@amn! haven't played anyone of those games.
but I have seen Warcraft3 and it looked GREAT!

hey! where's Heroes4?

	23-07-2002 20:47									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin Not yet. I want to finish the quests first, play a few rounds against the computer. Generally get a feel for the game.

I get completely trounced by the computer in every game I play...

I just can't click fast enough I think.

I expect if I ever played on bnet I would be slaughtered by people who have been playing Starcraft for the last 5 years.

	23-07-2002 21:41									#17
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The title should read 'top games of the year but not counting the ones released in the last five months including the usually busy Christmas period'.

And FIFA 2002? Maybe if we're talking PC games, but it's nothing on ISS/PES.

	23-07-2002 21:57									#18
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PES is the best. The new version looks like it will be even better, though. It's out in Japan (called Winning Eleven 6 IIRC) and pc.ign.com have done a preview of it ...

drool drool ...

	23-07-2002 22:10									#19
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII The title should read 'top games of the year but not counting the ones released in the last five months including the usually busy Christmas period'.

As far as I know, these games are about the only "could-become-a-top-game" released this year...if I missed some, it is because:

1. I've never ever heard of the game
2. It's a cheap-ass game, not worth mentioning...

quote: Originally posted by JohnIII [...] including the usually busy Christmas period'.

What exactly do you mean by that? We haven't had Christmas this year yet!!! So no suprise I haven't included any Chrismas games...

	23-07-2002 22:12									#20
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII The title should read 'top games of the year but not counting the ones released in the last five months including the usually busy Christmas period'.

Games released just before Christmas are usually shadows of their full potential. Games released when they are complete are far more likely to be better, if not more popularly bought, games.

	23-07-2002 22:29									#21
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Scumming this list (last year's PC Gamer UK top 100): http://www.pcgamer.co.uk/features/top100_feature.asp I find that the following games were released in the August-December period.

Deus Ex, Half-Life, Baldur's Gate II, Championship Manager (yearly) from the top 10. The release dates were unavailable for some games, but even so, the sheer quantity of releases in the second half of the year disproves your point.

	23-07-2002 23:23									#22
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That doesn't disprove my point. Saying that better games come out in Jan-June does not proclude good games coming out in July-Dec

More games are released in the pre-Christmas period, thus making a hit more likely in the pre-Christmas period. My statement is saying that a higher proportion of pre-Christmas games are crap.

If you release ten games in each of the first nine months of a year and fifty in each of the last three months; and then each month produces the same number of hits, my point is proven.

	23-07-2002 23:52									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne hey! where's Heroes4?

Yes, where is it?

Oh well, the only game that I played which appears in that list is Warcraft 3. It's not my favourite but it is very good and so I voted for it.

quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin More games are released in the pre-Christmas period, thus making a hit more likely in the pre-Christmas period. My statement is saying that a higher proportion of pre-Christmas games are crap. If you release ten games in each of the first nine months of a year and fifty in each of the last three months; and then each month produces the same number of hits, my point is proven.

That could be true since every developing team tries to hit the Christmas market with their games. But mostly only developers that want to produce a quality product are willing to delay their game beyond Christmas if they are still buggy. (Of course some developers just lack the money to not rush their games)

	24-07-2002 00:24									#24
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quote: Originally posted by ADG As far as I know, these games are about the only "could-become-a-top-game" released this year...if I missed some, it is because: 1. I've never ever heard of the game 2. It's a cheap-ass game, not worth mentioning...

Age of Mythology?

Icewind Dale 2?

Rise of Nations?

Championship Manager 4?

... maybe some of these games won't make it out before the end of the year ... but I'm sure some will and they'll most likely be worthy of a mention.

Even so it'll be very hard (impossible?) to beat Warcraft and Morrowind, IMHO (NWN also).

(Civ3 PtW too? )

	24-07-2002 00:46									#25
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Edit: Sorry thought this was quoted from a wrong post

IOW: I agree with frustrated poet on this, IMO the best games of this year are yet to come.

Last edited by chronocrator on 24-07-2002 at 00:53

	24-07-2002 00:47									#26
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I'm pretty sure RoN will be released next year. I kinda hope that Sid's X-COM/Settlers hybrid comes out next year too. I'd like to see two of their strategy games go head to head in a year. Otherwise we'd have to wait until 2005 or so for the next possible matchup.

	24-07-2002 01:06									#27
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Age of Mythology? Icewind Dale 2? Rise of Nations? Championship Manager 4? ... maybe some of these games won't make it out before the end of the year ... but I'm sure some will and they'll most likely be worthy of a mention. Even so it'll be very hard (impossible?) to beat Warcraft and Morrowind, IMHO (NWN also). (Civ3 PtW too? )

Please read this from my first post:

quote: And this is only games that have been released, not "to-be-released" games...

Which means: Games that are not released yet, shouldn't be on the list (Sorry, if there's games on the list that haven't been released yet, I haven't checked every game, to be sure they are released)...

We could make a poll on the most interesting not-released games (but are going to be released within a year or so)...

I might set up such poll later on, but I'm not that familiar with not-released games, so if you have some games that should be in that poll, pm me...before I make the poll...If I get anough titles I will proberbly set make a poll in a few days (If there's interest...)

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Europa Universalis 2 (Second Write-in vote)
Warlords Battlecry 2

	24-07-2002 15:03									#29
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quote: More games are released in the pre-Christmas period, thus making a hit more likely in the pre-Christmas period. My statement is saying that a higher proportion of pre-Christmas games are crap.

OK, that's fair enough, but this isn't about percentages, it's about absolutes. Pre-Christmas usually sees more good games than spring, in absolute terms. S

quote: If you release ten games in each of the first nine months of a year and fifty in each of the last three months; and then each month produces the same number of hits, my point is proven.

Well, it would be, if that happened. But if that happened, wouldn't that top 10 list have a lot more gaqmes spread throught the year, rather than November-December time?

quote: Which means: Games that are not released yet, shouldn't be on the list

So you can't say it's the top games of the year poll, can you? Because the year is nowhere near finished.

	24-07-2002 15:32									#30
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quote: Originally posted by JohnIII quote: Which means: Games that are not released yet, shouldn't be on the list So you can't say it's the top games of the year poll, can you? Because the year is nowhere near finished.

It's about the games you have played...I can't say e.g. SimCity 4 is the top #1 game of the year, because I haven't played it yet...sure it would be better to make this poll at the end of the year...but I wanted to make the poll now...