23-07-2002 00:56									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Winston: That quote, amusing as it is appears to be true. Apparently there actually is an anti-urinal movement in Sweden, Germany, Australia, and (God, help us all.) the US Navy.

I wonder if che can enlighten us as to how the urninal is in fact a tool for the domination of women by the evil oppresor class?


Can you che

	23-07-2002 00:56									#32
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lol, chegitz. that's not what i mean.

you're right, it's good not to be hassled, etc.

but then again, you get to be blamed for all the ills in the world by pretty much everyone else who needs someone to blame.

white males: "rulers" of the world, and convenient scapegoats.

	23-07-2002 00:56									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy Terrifying. One day they may achieve the same degree of power and relevance as the Flat Earth Society.

You have to admit that it makes for an amusing subject though.

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If they hate unrinals, I wonder what they think of the troughs in some of the older men's bathroom? You know the ones were everyone lines up.

	23-07-2002 00:58									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I wonder if che can enlighten us as to how the urninal is in fact a tool for the domination of women by the evil oppresor class? Can you che

I wonder if Sprayber can provide us with an example of this law actually being passed?

Can you Spray? (Apologies for the awful pun in this context).

	23-07-2002 00:59									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc You have to admit that it makes for an amusing subject though.

It makes a genuinely hilarious subject. However we do appear to have people who are taking it seriously.

	23-07-2002 01:01									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ron Jeremy I wonder if Sprayber can provide us with an example of this law actually being passed? Can you Spray? (Apologies for the awful pun in this context).

I wonder if Ron Jeremy can lighten up and not take everything so seriously. Can you Ron?

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber I wonder if che can enlighten us as to how the urninal is in fact a tool for the domination of women by the evil oppresor class? Can you che

The sad thing is, if I really thought about it, I probably could.

*flexes fingers, cracks knuckles*

Okay, the urinal is oppressive to women by the virture of allowing men to spend less time in the bathroom thereby spending more time working and getting a leg up on their female competition.






How I do?

	23-07-2002 01:15									#39
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Poor Ron you miss a lot, intentionally I think. hummm
You post on these threads and issues and you don't have a clue just opinions which are great and your right. But Ron quit trying to pass yourself off as knowledgable and in the know. Half these laws you had no clue exsisted until the thread went up. Half the proposed laws will stand as the author puts it because some already have. Ron the DNA is real today you must have missed that thread you posted in So it was an example of reality again missed you by a mile.

You are far from it. There is a link to Title IX and a tid bit because Ron you have no clue do you? Reality Ron is something you fail at miserably in this topic.

quote: The underlying law, known as Title IX, may soon be put on trial. Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., has ominously stated that he has "serious concerns" about President Bush's nominee to the federal office responsible for enforcing this law. The nominee, Gerald Reynolds, served as president of the Center for New Black Leadership. Kennedy and his feminist backers have made clear that they believe Reynolds is insufficiently dedicated to Title IX. Ironically, the current interpretation of Title IX actually violates the law's own language (to say nothing of the Constitution), which forbids gender discrimination in college programs. Cutting men's teams in the name of gender parity is gender discrimination. Title IX is the only area of law where illegal discrimination is assumed. Any college that deviates from the feminist ideal of how the world ought to look must cut men's teams to come into line. Not only is the burden of proof inverted, but also no evidence of non-discrimination can ever suffice — only forced quotas.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/commen...25-ncguest2.htm

Another example of I have an opinion but do not have a clue. But i will post as if I did:

quote: chegitz guevara:It's probably closer to 1 in 25 men hold positions of authority and power in commerce, politics, and religion. It's even greater if you include the most basic institution of the world, the family unit.

Ok Che it's probably closer to? You have no idea if he is right or not yet you state he is wrong and give your own GUESS instead, misinformation at it's worst. The family unit? Are you still watching leave it to Beaver reruns? That thinking went out in the 60's
You the head of your household Che? On top of that CHE where were all the squealing white men when the laws did get passed.

quote: They refuse to acknowledge all of the good things they have, but if something goes wrong, they're all in arms about it. Get some damn perspective.

Che did you know that is what they used to say to women when they tried to get equal rights same for the blacks? I bet you did not my a full circle we come but now it is misandry.

Yes the quote about Sweden is right. As someone in a thread said "were Sweden goes on social issue the world slowly follows"

	23-07-2002 01:15									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara How I do?

You're probably ready for a PhD in gender sciences. That was utterly brilliant compared to the crap being presented as "science" in those parts.

	23-07-2002 01:29									#41
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quote: Originally posted by blackice quote: chegitz guevara:It's probably closer to 1 in 25 men hold positions of authority and power in commerce, politics, and religion. It's even greater if you include the most basic institution of the world, the family unit. Ok Che it's probably closer to? You have no idea if he is right or not yet you state he is wrong and give your own GUESS instead, misinformation at it's worst.

Scott Adams is a humorist, blackice. He readily admits to making up numbers to support his arguments in his books. 99.999% is a nonsensical number. 1 out of 10,000 men hold positions of power? Ridiculous. What about all the small business holders, middle management, police, local governments, lawyers, doctors, etc.? Very quickly the percentage of men in positions of power and authority rises.

quote: The family unit? Are you still watching leave it to Beaver reruns? That thinking went out in the 60's You the head of your household Che?

As for the family, while the rise of women's rights has raised the level of input the primary female (if any) has in the household, very few relationships are considered equal. The man still tends to make more money, giving him greater authority over economic decisions, and we still tend to do less work around the house. Furthermore, househusbands are extremely rare, while housewives are not.

In a way, yes, I'm the head of the household. I make the most money, even when I spend most of the year out of work. I get more in unemployment than Bunnygrrl makes at her job. We moved to Florida because of my work situation.

quote: On top of that CHE where were all the squealing white men when the laws did get passed.

Good question, since the laws were all passed by white men.

quote: quote: They refuse to acknowledge all of the good things they have, but if something goes wrong, they're all in arms about it. Get some damn perspective. Che did you know that is what they used to say to women when they tried to get equal rights same for the blacks? I bet you did not my a full circle we come but now it is misandry.

You missed the poin about perspective. Having most things go your way because of your gender and occasionally having something go against you isn't the same as being kept down but being told to be thnakful cuz at least you aren't being beaten.

	23-07-2002 01:34									#42
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The sad thing is, if I really thought about it, I probably could. *flexes fingers, cracks knuckles* Okay, the urinal is oppressive to women by the virture of allowing men to spend less time in the bathroom thereby spending more time working and getting a leg up on their female competition. How I do?

It's more of a symbolic thing, I believe...

	23-07-2002 01:42									#43
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So can we just install urinals in the Ladies room and call it quits?

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The sad thing is, if I really thought about it, I probably could. *flexes fingers, cracks knuckles* Okay, the urinal is oppressive to women by the virture of allowing men to spend less time in the bathroom thereby spending more time working and getting a leg up on their female competition. How I do?

not bad. You should write for them All I know is that they come in handy when your drunk and dont want to spend a lot of time standing in line for a stall.


edit: I think the the real reason is that when a woman goes into a unisex restroom and sees that thing on the wall, they feel jelouse that there is something a man can use and they cant. Who knows, men may be jelouse if they ever went into a female restroom. Is there anyone here have the inside scoop on what really goes on in there and what kind of special things they have?

	23-07-2002 01:44									#45
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quote: Originally posted by walruskkkch So can we just install urinals in the Ladies room and call it quits?

Those would be honorable terms.

	23-07-2002 01:47									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed While it might be good to be male, it's not good to be a white male. THAT's the issue. thank god i ain't caucasian.

What universe do you live in?

I'm even a gay white male, and I can recognize I got it good. Landlords instantly treat you better when you're looking to rent, people don't look at you in fear on subways, security guards at stores don't follow you around, and you're an instant shoo-in for country clubs. You also get automatic credibility as a political candidate and no one automatically assumes you are where you are due to affirmative action (which means you get more respect).

My mom is a teacher, and she was trying to demonstrate to a high school contemporary issues class about racial favoritism. She asked all the kids to raise their hands if they would choose to be born white. Nearly all of them did (about 2/3 of the class was white). When she asked how many would choose to be born Black, not a single student said yes. Not even the black students. And only a couple selected any other races. And this is not a rural area, either.

White men still enjoy a massive amount of privelidge in this country. Has there ever been a serious contender for the Presidency who wasn't a white guy?

	23-07-2002 01:50									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Has there ever been a serious contender for the Presidency who wasn't a white guy?

Yes if only he would have run for the office, he might have won.

	23-07-2002 01:51									#48
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quote: Terrifying. One day they may achieve the same degree of power and relevance as the Flat Earth Society.

IIRC, in some Swedish kindergarten/preschool/elementary school, feminists had managed to remove urinals, precisely on grounds that men's ability to pee standing up demeans women. That's more than Flat Earth Society has managed to do.

I HOPE it's more than Flat Earth Society has managed to do. But you never know about Kansas.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Yes if only he would have run for the office, he might have won.

Except that the party he would have run under would never have nominated him.

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Except that the party he would have run under would never have nominated him.

Given how popular Powell was at the time, I don't see how they could have done anything but nominate him if he had thrown his hat in the ring. Sadly, we'll never know now.

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quote: Originally posted by blackice Poor Ron you miss a lot, intentionally I think. hummm You post on these threads and issues and you don't have a clue just opinions which are great and your right. But Ron quit trying to pass yourself off as knowledgable and in the know. Half these laws you had no clue exsisted until the thread went up

As ever, blackice, I welcome your input into the quotes I've picked out as being vague, suspect or downright laughable. At any point feel free to contribute to the points I'm debate on the article you chose to link to.

If, however, you want to ditch it and head for your old standby of smear tactics, then don't expect to be taken very seriously.

To reiterate my point- large sections of the article you posted are plain nonsense. Until you choose to tackle it, that assertion remains unchallenged. Significantly, there's a marked absence of people speaking up in defence of it.

	23-07-2002 02:19									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber not bad. You should write for them All I know is that they come in handy when your drunk and dont want to spend a lot of time standing in line for a stall.

Damn straight. Of course, for the really drunk, the urinal is optional.

	23-07-2002 03:09									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara The sad thing is, if I really thought about it, I probably could. *flexes fingers, cracks knuckles* Okay, the urinal is oppressive to women by the virture of allowing men to spend less time in the bathroom thereby spending more time working and getting a leg up on their female competition. How I do?

Dagnabit! I posted a thread on the proposed anti-urinal law months ago and no one was interested in discussing it! The law was proposed in Norway, not Sweden, and it failed to pass.

The logic for doing away with the urinal is that it supposedly teaches little boys that they can stand up and pee on things a practice which the originator believed teaches the lads domination, which as they grew the little boys extrapolate in an abstract manner towards the treatment of other objects, such as women.

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber If it makes you feel secure in your little world. Then by all means post away. I'm sure we will all enjoy spamming it.

Yeah, gotta to admit though -- it was a popular spam thread about race and everything else related or not-so related to that thread's title.

And besides, you're not beginning to stalk me here on Apolyton, are you??

	23-07-2002 03:20									#55
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I also remember one time in sixth grade, a classmate decided to take a sh*t in the urinal.

Don't ask me how he did it -- I was not a witness, but the classmate did get caught by someone else who rattled.

	23-07-2002 03:30									#56
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It's sad that an argument I made up on the spot is superior to the one that is actually being advanced by these anti-urinal types.

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Anti-urinal arguments is another example of excess, extreme feminism.

We're better off without extreme feminism.

	23-07-2002 05:51									#58
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Ron you need to tackle reality I am involved in this. You are obviously ill informed and have no idea what you are argueing. You simply laugh and joke at the entire article without so much as having any clear knowledge of the facts. This is not the first time nor the last I bet. But if you sincerely want to debate it get informed first. I need but one example each time. This time was Title IX to know you have no clue at all.

Dr. That is exactly it I did not see your thread?
Norway tried it first humm I wonder why Sweden is proposing the law now too.

Mr. Fun that is the whole point

	23-07-2002 05:54									#59
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Blackice -- do not mistake me where I stand though -- I am all for moderate feminism, and its goals.

And, I usually do not understand white men's whining about excess political correctness, when it comes to racist, sexist, homophobic, or anti-Semitic slurs.

	23-07-2002 06:10									#60
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I take you understand when women whine? Mr. Fun

Any rate Che "you make more money so yes you are the head of your family" WTF is that?

I made more money I stayed at home and raised our child and I consider her my equal...She first of all was a person....

That goes for you too Mr. Fun they are people who fight for justice. You call it whining amazing.

Equal rights for all people that is the only point regardless of sex race etc etc we are all people and deserve equality...PERIOD...