30-07-2002 06:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle blah...blah...blah And I did not get $50 worth of fun out of Civ 3. On the contrary. But I got several hundred dollars worth of fun out of Civ 2.

If you had it since December and played it more than 10 hours ($5 per hour) then you have to had more than $50 worth of fun. Just think of all the fun you've had here at Apolyton just complaining about it. That surely must be worth it.

	30-07-2002 07:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Two other things re: PTW. Conquistadors are a very POOR choice for a Spanish UU as they were never a military unit, just a small bunch of thugs murdering natives peoples and then each other. It should have been the Tercio. But Firaxis cares about marketing, not history. http://www.geocities.com/ao1617/TercioUK.html There can be no such thing as an "historic scenario" with Culture Flipping and razing in the game. Just try it for, say, a World War Two scenario. . . with much of your armor vanishing in a flip. So Firaxis either fixes these, and other problems, or no sale. And I did not get $50 worth of fun out of Civ 3. On the contrary. But I got several hundred dollars worth of fun out of Civ 2.

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	30-07-2002 08:43									#33
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So now Coracle is going off about Conquistadors in every thread in addition to culture flipping? Oh, joy...

	30-07-2002 08:53									#34
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Every single game, no matter how good has not just a critic, but a annoying one whose mission is to destroy the game.

	30-07-2002 09:25									#35
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Conquistadors were actually real Spanish explorers that conquered vast measures of land for Spain in the America's through the spreading of European diseases and warfare. I think they are a rather worthy unit. As for culture flipping, it isn't realistic in all instances, but it makes sense when you take a city that is largely of another culture for them to want to flip back.

	31-07-2002 01:14									#36
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Gee... coracle makes another post about culture flipping... what a surprise...

Your "one trick pony act" is getting a little boring...

But anyway... let's stay on topic here. Enough of all this garbage.

	31-07-2002 02:25									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Sava #2 Civil War It was one of the best parts of Civ 1. Capture a capital city, and BLAAOUWW two civs... This was a great feature, and Firaxis, partly Microprose's fault for not putting it in Civ 2, didn't include it in Civ 3. IMO, they should have expanded the idea so that if there is a civil war, say you capture Babylon, the Babylonians split into two Babylonian Civs. That would add a new dimension to the game. And I believe something close to 90 percent of Apolytoners voted for Civil Wars in another thread.

nice idea, works against AI, but not in multiplayer... or do you expect a 17th player to get one half of the weakened civ?

btw: love your lexa avatar

	31-07-2002 05:20									#38
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I'm with Sava on this one. I will probably end up buying PtW after reading all the reviews and sorting through the posts here at poly. I figure I'm still going to be somewhat disappointed with Civ3 but maybe B*tching about it while playing Civ3 MP will make me feel better.

	01-08-2002 01:24									#39
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Hmmmmmmm............civilization. <* wipes drool from chin *>

Maybe I can convince wife to buy as early Christmas present.......hmmmmmmmmmm.

Maybe I tell her, "Give me 29.99 gpt and PTW and I won't invade"

	01-08-2002 13:44									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Gee... coracle makes another post about culture flipping... what a surprise... Your "one trick pony act" is getting a little boring... But anyway... let's stay on topic here. Enough of all this garbage.

Not relevant?? The thread is about being "duped" into buying (or not) PTW.

If they don't give us some CF options for PTW I won't be duped; I'll wait to get it on E-Bay for ten bucks, which may not be a long wait.

"One trick pony"?? If Firaxis finally fixed this, or gave us some options as they did with AI trade and corruption, there would be NO NEED to bring it up at all; CF will be especially absurd with historical scenarios.

Meanwhile, I can talk about AI cheating, no MP, historical innacuracies, poor naval warfare, lack of AI use of artillery in offensives; etc. There are quite a few "ponies" to be resolved before I plunk down more $$ for PTW. Hell, for all we know it is another beta. I'll wait for the reviews on the forums.. . we shall see.

	01-08-2002 17:35									#41
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dude, chill. seems like you're the only one with your knickers all in a tizzy over this culture flipping thing. even if most other people don't like it altogether too much, you seem to grow livid at the mere thought of it.

the point has been made. everybody knows just how much you despise it. ok?

besides, everybody else also knows that this game is far from perfect.

	01-08-2002 19:57									#42
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I will only consider myself "duped" if the MP function doesn't work properly and/or is so buggy it will cause the various people you're playing with to crash or get cut off from the game.

If THAT does happen, I'm going to be real close to joining Coracle in the anti-Firaxis camp and hoping Infogrames finds someone else to do Civ4.

	01-08-2002 21:02									#43
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If THAT does happen, I'm going to really hope that Firaxis finds some other publisher for Civ4.

	01-08-2002 21:23									#44
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Hear that, Firaxis! That's two of us that want a usable MP and not some partially programed attempt that only works for 3 turns or we're never buying your Civ crap again!

(Gosh, I hope they don't try to call my bluff on that one )

	02-08-2002 22:32									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed but ptw will have to compete with kingdom hearts, ut2k3, and the next generation nvidia card....

Completley OT:

I think the new Nvidia card has been put back till after December because they have no working prototype, they have still to iron out some bugs.

However I do not care I'm gonna get a new ATI 9700 128 MB card , i'm an ATI guy!

But the new Nvidia card does look lush

	03-08-2002 00:09									#46
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I will only consider myself "duped" if the MP function doesn't work properly and/or is so buggy it will cause the various people you're playing with to crash or get cut off from the game. If THAT does happen, I'm going to be real close to joining Coracle in the anti-Firaxis camp and hoping Infogrames finds someone else to do Civ4.

I agree. PtW better have a well thought out and fully functional MP! I like Civ3 but the original release version was in sorry shape and I truly hope Firaxis has enough sense to do better this time. The question is will they?