20-12-2004 13:56									#3301
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quote: Originally posted by Chilean President My Xmas tree

great tree

	20-12-2004 21:12									#3302
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Thanks

I'll post another pic with the lights of the saloon on later, that way you'll see the tree and not only the lights Nik

	20-12-2004 21:23									#3303
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Me and my sister.

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	22-12-2004 02:24									#3304
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	22-12-2004 02:27									#3305
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Pagan? Nah, I consider myself as a Christian thank you...

Nikolai,
I'm glad i found this post. I wanted to ask you about the reference to Isaiah, but the CIV forum wasn't the right place.
It does my heart good to find Christ reflected in places i wasn't looking...:

this is the third time i've tried to send this, i hope i get it right this time

	22-12-2004 03:45									#3306
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Thanks. It's nice to see a fellow Christian, I have the feeling sometimes there's not too many of us on places like this. The Isaiah verse in my sig is one of, if not the, Bible verse that means most to me. I come back to it over and over again.

	22-12-2004 05:00									#3307
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Hmmm... this is interesting. We should do a religious poll to see how many Catholics, Anglicans, Islamics, Jews, etc, people we have in Poly.

	22-12-2004 06:03									#3308
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I think there were polls like this, and there's an active poll at CFC which shows suprisingly big 40% atheist minority

	22-12-2004 07:21									#3309
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40%? that's no game.

One demographic i'm interested in is age. I'm grateful for Paddy, keeping me from believing i'm the only other grandpa here.
Of course, i'm a very young grandpa...

	22-12-2004 19:33									#3310
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai Me and my sister.

And trees are still pagan! I'm a pagan too.

	22-12-2004 20:09									#3311
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i might be fuzzy on the details, but here goes. In an effort to convert the pagans early in Christendom, church occasions were overlaid upon existing pagan festivals. For example (the occasion of) the Ressurection was planted upon the pagan festival of fertility honoring the goddess Ishtar. We call her Easter now (but we kept the fertile rabbits.)
Most interesting to me was the Festival of Saturn celebrated on December 25. It seems the biggest, roundest priest of the temple would be adorned in a red toga and stand on the portico of the temple to proclaim "Ho Saturnaillia, Ho Saturnaillia, Ho, Saturnaillia"
with this in mind, the whole evergreen tree thing is a minor infraction.
With all respect to my Pagan friend, it worked. The ACLU hasn't tried to remove a bust of Saturn from any Nativity Scenes...

	22-12-2004 20:45									#3312
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We have a christmas tree...if that makes me pagan...well, okay then.

I'm going to draw the line at painting my face, getting naked and dancing around the tree while chanting some black magic.

	22-12-2004 21:31									#3313
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Well I'm a Catholic (which means that I'm a pagan in the eyes of Christian fanatics ) and I don't consider the tree a pagan object. I mean sure the whole thing started that way but with the years it was absorved by the Christian heritage, so no harm done. Right?

	22-12-2004 21:36									#3314
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I remember reading somewhere that the first actual Christmas tree was used by Martin Luther... which makes you a heretic, ChP.

	22-12-2004 21:40									#3315
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Last week i saw a clip of The Pope explaining the perpetual green color of the Christmas Tree as representing the ever-presant value of Christ in our lives. I think we're ok.

I'm Baptist, but i seem to recall Paul asking why we had devided ourselves up like that.

	22-12-2004 21:43									#3316
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven Last week i saw a clip of The Pope explaining the perpetual green color of the Christmas Tree as representing the ever-presant value of Christ in our lives. I think we're ok.

How very sanitised- he skips over the obvious pagan connections with fertility and life.


Exactly what would a fir or pine tree have to do with Bethlehem?

	22-12-2004 21:49									#3317
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alas, you are right.
BTW, what is a flaneur?

	22-12-2004 21:50									#3318
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I guess don't give a crap if the Pope thinks its okay for me to put an evergreen tree in my house during December. He can go to hel..... oh, maybe I shouldn't say that.

	22-12-2004 22:05									#3319
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven alas, you are right. BTW, what is a flaneur?

Second cousin twice removed to a pastry chef.

	22-12-2004 22:12									#3320
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with a particular stride, i presume

	22-12-2004 22:13									#3321
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven with a particular stride, i presume

A very tart response.

	22-12-2004 22:15									#3322
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quote: Originally posted by bayraven 40%? that's no game. One demographic i'm interested in is age. I'm grateful for Paddy, keeping me from believing i'm the only other grandpa here. Of course, i'm a very young grandpa...

hoy


I may be old and bald...

but I am not a grandpa yet...

struth mate my lad is only Eleven years old

	22-12-2004 23:06									#3323
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quote: but I am not a grandpa yet...

bummer.

looking at the pix i thought i saw you in a shot with 'three generations', you being the eldest.
my most humble apologies, sir, and as the lad is only eleven, may it not be soon you join me.

if i did this right, this is my grandson Collin and me.

	22-12-2004 23:31									#3324
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hahaha

great pic mate

I just happen to look older than the old man

	22-12-2004 23:33									#3325
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Cool pic bayraven, you don't look like a grandpa at all.

	23-12-2004 00:44									#3326
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And that is a very handsome young lad.

	23-12-2004 00:47									#3327
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thanks snowflake.

but what about my grandson?

	23-12-2004 01:26									#3328
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Erm, without seeing him I'm sure he'd turn out beautifully too, in the years to come. Your grandpa on the other hand ...

	23-12-2004 01:35									#3329
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Remember to force your grandsons to play civ2

	23-12-2004 01:37									#3330
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or to play a more accurate game like civ3