23-07-2002 23:46									#1
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The deal is as follows, having used my 450 mhz, 64 RAM computer for quite a few years now I have decided to upgrade. 1,8 ghz, 256 DDR RAM and a Geforce 4 sets me up to play any games I want. Now im making a list of must play games from the last 2-3 years and so far I´ve come up with this. Of course i have my favourite genres but nevermind that just write whatever games you like yourself.

Warcraft 3
Arcanum
Neverwinter Nights
GTA 3
Return to Castle Wolfentstein
Morrowind

	24-07-2002 00:19									#2
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you posted in the Championship Manager thread, didn't you? If so then I don't suppose I need to mention CM, do I?

Ever played Half-Life or CounterStrike? If you like FPS games then you'll enjoy those (Quake3 also of course).

The best TBS games I suppose you already know from browsing 'poly...

Thief 2 and Deus Ex have got awesome reviews from people who've played them (I haven't, though).

The Sims? (no wait ... seriously ... )

The 6 games you mentioned in your post will be great and keep you happy for a year or two anyway...

	24-07-2002 01:00									#3
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Europa Universalis 2.

Deus Ex, Commandos 2, and Stronghold (in that order) are also really good games, aswell... but they don't have anywhere near as much lasting power as EU2 does. Even though I only played each one of those for a few weeks each, I'd still consider them to be 'must play'.

	24-07-2002 01:39									#4
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SMAC, FF IV, FF V, FF VI, FF VII, Chrono Trigger, Deus Ex, Thief (haven't been able to locate a copy of Thief II), Half-Life TFC, GTA III, Punisher, Alien vs. Predator (arcade version), Metal Slug, Fallout II (haven't been able to locate a copy of Fallout), Morrowind.

	24-07-2002 01:49									#5
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I have played the Fallout games, very good games. I have now added a few games to my list so thanks a lot and keep it coming.

	24-07-2002 02:40									#6
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modded CtP2, what else could one possibly need? (Well, maybe Clash of Civilizations)

	24-07-2002 03:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Chrono Trigger

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	24-07-2002 04:10									#8
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Did anyone mention Alien vs Predator II, Soldier of Fortune II, Medal of Honour?

I haven't played them either. but the games got great reviews

	24-07-2002 04:36									#9
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Planescape Tourment
Any Civ game at least a few times
AoW 2
Deus Ex

	24-07-2002 04:50									#10
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To the games that I have seen I would add:
Diablo II
Tropico
Shogun: Total War
SimGolf



Haven't given AoW2 a try. Pythagoras, how good is it?

	24-07-2002 04:56									#11
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Hey moomin, you ever play Chrono Cross? I'm wondering if it's as good as the first one...

	24-07-2002 06:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger Hey moomin, you ever play Chrono Cross? I'm wondering if it's as good as the first one...

it is good

but not as good

MHOP

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	24-07-2002 08:06									#13
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Chrono Cross is a dissapointment- it's a good idea for a game, but it commits some pretty bad storytelling errors IMHO. It also connects with the plot of CT pretty badly, and just is generally a good bit different in flavor. The battle system is solid though.

Let me put it this way: ever played Xenogears? If not, I recommend that first. Chrono Cross rips off XG some, but badly, and lacks XG's internal consistency. (If you don't know, about half the team that did XG/CT worked on CC. The lesser half, I'm convinced).

P.S. Back to topic, I recommend you try GTA3 out before you buy. As far as I'm concerned, it has neat physics engine for driving, and everything else is ported directly from GTA1 way back when. Hardly anything new or creative.

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	24-07-2002 09:09									#14
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in addition to a few others already listed, i've found Baldur's Gate 2 to be quite enjoyable

	24-07-2002 09:41									#15
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Snowfire: That sucks, the story is at least half of the reason that I play console RPG's.

I've heard from several people that System Shock II is fantastic, but sadly I haven't been able to locate a copy.

	24-07-2002 09:47									#16
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I've got System Shock 2, but sadly have not installed it.
One day I will, but I gather that I need at least 2 days clear before I begin.

	24-07-2002 10:30									#17
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Europa Universalis 2
Warlords Battlecry 2
Serious Sam (either one)

	24-07-2002 10:35									#18
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Alpha Centauri
SimCity 3000
Older SimGames, particularly SimAnt, SimEarth, SimTower

	24-07-2002 12:16									#19
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Caesar III/Pharaoh
Ground Control
Rollercoaster Tycoon
Deus Ex (again)

Caesar and Pharaoh are old games but they draw you in like no other (bar civ). Ground Control would look/run great on a geforce 4, plays even better.

	25-07-2002 02:49									#20
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Europa Universalis 2
Medal of Honour: Allied Assault

	25-07-2002 08:01									#21
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Age of Wonders, Age of Wonders 2.

IMO you can skip Tropico

Probably SimCity 4000 when it comes out. BTW if you have never played the original UFO: Enemy Unknown I highly recommend it.

	25-07-2002 08:44									#22
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I played the demo of System Shock II and was unimpressed. Maybe it just takes some time to get going.

And I will say this: the idea of Chrono Cross's plot is decent. The problem is in the execution. You're required to do pointless fetch questy stuff, yet some vital plot information is optional and nigh-on-impossible to find. And some of the revelations on Disc 2 manage to, at the same time, be cheap and implausible; make one of the main villians look like an utter moron; screw with CT's plot offstage (ie not shown or you affect it in anyway), they just mention "Oh, by the way, we decided to make life suck on some characters in CT for no apperant reason"); and compress about 10 hours worth of gameplay into some screens of text revealing a skeleton of an idea for an endgame. And oh yes, the good ending has some really stupid philosophy to it as well (Although I will credit the game that the way to get the good ending is completely innovative, and I like that. I just think that the good ending is actually worse than the bad ending, if that makes any sense).

	30-07-2002 01:07									#23
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Ultima IV through VII.

	30-07-2002 01:35									#24
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Europa Universalis 2: Redefined the historical strategy genre. So many great innovations.

Deus Ex: Looking a bit dated, and the early levels are rather drab, but it really picks up, and has some nifty features such as a flexible storyline and character development.

Chrono Trigger: A wonderful 16-bit RPG. Best things include the plot, the villain, the characters and the battle system. Unlike the Final Fantasy games, it doesn't have any mind-numbing 'random monster encounters'.

Homeworld: RTS set in space. A bit old, but the presentation is still wonderful. The nebula section is particularly cool.

	30-07-2002 01:36									#25
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Listed in alphabetic order.

Civ
Civ II
Civ III
Gettysburg
MOHAA
Pacific General
Panzer General
Railroad Tycoon
Railroad Tycoon Deluxe
Railroad Tycoon II
Railroad Tycoon II TSC
SimCity 2000

	30-07-2002 09:27									#26
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I personally don't like RR II. The original is a classic, but PopTop screwed around with it too much. And I don't understand how the stock prices of a completely privatised company can change.

	30-07-2002 19:30									#27
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If you like RPG's I would add Wizardry 8 to your list.

	31-07-2002 23:40									#28
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quote: Originally posted by dunk Ultima IV through VII.

Ultima II is fun as well, in a cheesy way.

	01-08-2002 21:21									#29
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Hmm so many games I've loved so I'll try to keep it short.

Role-Playing.
Fallout.
Fallout 2.
Planescape Torment.

Single player FPS.
No One Lives Forever.
Operation Flashpoint.
Giants.
Deus Ex.


Multi-Player FPS.
Giants.
Unreal Tournament (UT2003 is probably better but my GeForce 2 MX can't really handle it )
Counter Strike.

Strategy.
AOW.

near misses
CTP must be patched and modded however(Wes's), wonders if I should buy CTP2. It must be cheap by now if I can find it.
I'd like to say The Corporate Machine but I just started playing it.

Other.
Tie-Fighter. (There might be a better space game now, not sure, will be looking into it)
Mech-Warrior 3. (haven't got 4)
Sim-City 2000. (Sim City 3000 is probably better but it didn't look worth the upgrade)

I left out games which I think (thought) were great but have a hard time recommending because I think they've been eclipsed therefore I wouldn't play them today. (Civ 2, Ultima 4-7, Half-Life) Actually I probably should include Half-Life but It's not as good as the three I've listed (CS is the only reason it's still touted.) I also recommend the Ultimas if you have time.

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	02-08-2002 21:59									#30
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Here's my list of "Must play" games:

SimCity 4 (When it comes out) (Until then, play some SC3k)
The Settlers 2 - Gold edition (The best Settlers game ever made)
RollerCoaster Tycoon (The sequel will be released later this year, with only few changes in graphics...Take a look here)
Seious Sam (1 & 2) (The comedy they are using is just hilarious)
SoF2 (Great MP game...haven't played SP that much)
GTA3 (If you liked the first two in the series)