30-07-2002 09:57									#31
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Hmm, it really depends on my mood. There's two styles to my gameplay. There's an "Idealist" and a "Despot" switch in my head, normally I start with the idealist mindset and the despot usually kicks in after Miriam pisses me off.

Idealist SocEng:

Demo/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonia

Basically if I was a normal citizen or Joe Talent, how I want my faction to run. Needless to say, I'd be Gaian as the -1 POLICE and -1 MORALE means I wouldn't have the authorities breathing down my back every time I want to "experiment" with fungal spores in my new "water pipe" nor would they expect me to fight when the Morgan Chaos Nedlejet comes flying by.

Despot Mode:

Police/Green (or Planned)/Wealth/Thought Control

And this is how I would run things if I was the leader of a faction, to rule with an iron fist in a velvet glove. Total control, the "Mine, all mine" mentality where the masses, drone and talent alike serves only one purpose and that is to do my bidding. Sending armies to destroy that pesky Lai for his 'humanitarian' wimpers while trying to figure out what is the best way to install the cloning vat next to my private harem. Power, fame, DECADENCE!!!!!!!

Yeah, I'm a sick puppy...

	30-07-2002 12:53									#32
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No sicker than the next man, ie. me. Just look at the thread I started about SMAC or love . . . But in the game, I play Morgan as a police state or fundamentalism (exactly the way the strategy specialists tell you is not optimal) and go around beating on greens, peaceniks, and anyone else who I don't specifically agree with.

quote: Power, fame, DECADENCE!!!!!!!

I can see you know what it's all about.

	30-07-2002 12:57									#33
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Free Drones will eat you ears for Breakfast, Mr. President !

	30-07-2002 13:00									#34
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Bah. Probe teams can buy those cheaply-built units!

	30-07-2002 13:12									#35
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Not when there are several on the same square
Be more tactical, Comrade President !

	30-07-2002 13:18									#36
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Hmm. Yes . . . but . . . DAMN! Too clever for me!

	30-07-2002 13:32									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President But in the game, I play Morgan as a police state or fundamentalism (exactly the way the strategy specialists tell you is not optimal)

Ah... dont make me write a post on the virtues of Morganite Fundie/Green/Wealth
but in short:
+2 Econ +1 Industry +2 Planet +2probe
And with CC, CC & BioEn units come out commando, upgraded to elite by monolith.
Whats not to love about that SE combination

	30-07-2002 13:55									#38
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quote: Whats not to love about that SE combination

It s ideologically insane.

	30-07-2002 14:19									#39
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"ideologically insane"?

You are talking about a game, man....

	30-07-2002 14:21									#40
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BTW, I allways, allways try to get BOTH Command Center and Bioenhancement Center.... I just hate when one insane mindworm/isleofdeep/locust/sealurk destroys my fresh-from-the-storage base.

	31-07-2002 04:41									#41
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Bah! You forgot alot of the other SE options!

Here's the combo I use the most:

Police State/Green (yes, Green ) or Planned/Knowledge/Thought Control.

As you can deduce, I tend to win by Conquest

	31-07-2002 10:45									#42
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo "ideologically insane"?

No, ideologically insane would be demo/free/knowledge/THOUGHT CONTROL

Yes, all people may participate in the government, anybody can buy what they want and everybody is raised to believe in the virtues of science and higher intelligence...

...but we control your every move, every impulse and every single thought!

	31-07-2002 11:41									#43
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But if the thought control is made in "the Matrix" -style, then nobody would know their thougts are controlled.

	31-07-2002 15:04									#44
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quote: Bah! You forgot alot of the other SE options!

I didnt forget anything, Frankychan, Its a final so I kept only the two SE settings in each category that had the more votes in the precedent poll. And obviously th emost populoar setting is Demo/green/knowledge/ eudaimonia or cybernetic.

An about the "ideologically insane" I am talking about fundamentalism. Its just my point of view, though. And I agree that Thought Control is also ideologically insane (but of course).

	31-07-2002 15:30									#45
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I love trying to comprehend game concepts in real life.

Almost as silly as a Thought controlled Democracy is a Police State that values Wealth... Those who don't earn at least 50 energy credits in a week will suddenly disappear in the middle of the night without a trace. Can you imagine how pushy telemarketers would be THEN?!?

Then there's the people who love efficient social engineering. Consider a Gaian base with a Children's Creche running Dem/Grn/Knw/Eud. IIRC, that'll be +11 Efficiency!!! Considering it (only) takes +4 to have a PARADIGM ECONOMY, do you have any idea what life like that would be?!? You'd have to train your family pet to go to the bathroom in a specific part of the yard at the proper time every few hours to optimize both the pet's bladder emptying and the yard's fertilization, for one thing. You would make leftovers from one meal stretch into 17 other meals. Every time you farted, you'd have to store the gas to use as fuel. And so on...

Fundamentalism with green economy... Thou shalt keep off the grass (under penalty of eternal condemnation).

	31-07-2002 15:37									#46
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And the Lord told Adam "thou shalt not use a car to go to your work, and for I am the ternal lord, thous shalt use a bicycle"
Levitic, XIX, 34

	31-07-2002 21:01									#47
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Demo/Planned (hey its Domai and -30%Prod.
costs is sweet)/ Knowlege and uhmm Eudo puts me at *drool* +50% Indy mhh but most Games dont last that Long anyway (Domaiiiiii )

	31-07-2002 21:12									#48
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Excellent choice, comrade !

And, hey, let me see a second
8 votes for Free Market,
10 votes for Planned Economy.


Go, Drones, Get your Freeeedooom !

	31-07-2002 22:36									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Spacecow Thou shalt keep off the grass.

quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Go, Drones, Get your Freeeedooom !

"Your Planned economy is wrongheaded and inefficient,
Foreman Pandemoniak, and stifles the just and proper flow of capital on this
planet. I hope you will soon open your markets to a more realistic
model."

"Foreman Pandemoniak, such an idealistic society is commendable,
but hardly achievable by a living creature. You need the
suspension of biological imperatives before you can achieve
true enlightenment. You should abandon your 'utopia' and seek
a more practical solution!"

I think this one's thought control... i'm just putting it here cause its funny not cause i like TC...

"Foreman Pandemoniak, allowing this free-thinking society in the
name of 'fulfilling your potential' is truly wrong-headed. The
only way a drone can 'fulfill its potential' is by a wise and
benevolent ruler telling it exactly what to do. I pray you will
see the wisdom of this path soon."

	31-07-2002 23:06									#50
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Sir,
Pandemoniak is ignoring our transmissions.

	31-07-2002 23:30									#51
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"Foreman Pandemoniak, your feeble attempts to provide a paradise
are undermining my efforts to bring my people to a greater
power through the use of cybernetics. As long as your policies
continue you are a threat to my plans...therefore, you must be
eliminated. Vendetta upon you!"

	31-07-2002 23:41									#52
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Demo/Free Market/Wealth/Eudaimonia

But of course, it depends on the faction, the stage of the game, whether you are currently fighting a war, what kind of war it is, ....

	01-08-2002 10:47									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Spacecow Almost as silly as a Thought controlled Democracy is a Police State that values Wealth...

Howdy Spacecow,

I have an easier time picturing a Police State that values Wealth than a Thought Controlled Democracy. Personally, I've viewed Police State as either a psudo-fascist regime or a neo-feudalistic monarchy, both which value Wealth (if not Power) over Knowledge. The only exception in my mind would be Sheng-ji's über-communism (Police State + Planned Economy.)

Keep in mind this is all just personal intrepretation.

	02-08-2002 05:20									#54
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when are you going to close this and judge the winner? market has caught up to planned and cybernetic is almost even with eudaimonia.

"Do you tire of our Vendetta so soon, Foreman Pandemoniak?
I will call it off for nothing more than your
humble apology and 80 000 energy credits."

	02-08-2002 05:30									#55
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TKG, 80 000 is little, Deirdre wanted 191 000 from me in one game.
One would be a good time to close the poll! Demo/Green/Knowledge/Eudy, my choice of SE.

	02-08-2002 06:02									#56
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geez, 191 000? i've never even had that much, let alone have the AI demand it! if i did have that much, the AI wouldn't be in a position to make demands. 'sides 80 000 is enough. just think how many X shard tanks i could buy with that! and you dont want to be running "eudy" when i do...

	02-08-2002 11:46									#57
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Eudy + Fundie allows the construction of elite units and gives +1 (int base tile) morale from Children Creche compared to a 0 morale setup.
Additionally you could buy 25% more shard tanks while running Eudy thanks to +2 industry.

Btw, my vote was for Green, but should have been FM, because I thought the poll was for your favourite combined SE settings, rather than your favourite from each field. In which case my preference is
No preference/ Free Market/ Wealth/ Eudo

	07-08-2002 08:26									#58
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Police + Green + Wealth + Cybernetics =
+1Economy +2Efficiency +2Support -2Morale -1Police -2Growth +4Planet +1Industry +2Research.

Not that bad of a combination, really, if you play the kind of game into which it fits. It is a combination I use frequently as The Hive and shooting for specific Secret Projects, so I think it is a valid ballot.

Hive + Police + Green + Wealth + Cybernetics + Ascetic Virtues + Living Refinery + Network Backbone =
-1Economy +4Efficiency +6Support -2Morale +3Police -1Growth +4Planet +2Industry +2Research.

The -1Economy is no big deal: It's only -1€ at the HQ.

The -2Morale is easily countered by Command Centers (Command Nexus), Bioenhancement Centers (Cyborg Factory), and Naval Yards (Maritime Control Center).

With maximum Support, Police, and Planet, along with the +2Industry, you can send out swarms upon swarms of Worms, Isles, and Locusts.

	07-08-2002 17:47									#59
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Pandemoniak,

Even though I agree with most of your policies, (even the CCCP in your sig), I must disagree with your rule of Planet. Foreman Domai only thinks he knows what is best for the drones, but the benevolent Chairman Yang truly understands the course that society must make in order to become a utopia!

Maybe you should join the (N)CPA?

Like I said before-

Police State/Green (Planned)/Knowledge/Thought Control.

Let Pravin Lal bend his knee to the superior Human Hive!!!!