25-07-2002 10:40									#1
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Spain
Mongolia
Ottoman Empire
Carthage
Vikings
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?-?-?-?-?

	25-07-2002 11:35									#2
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Korea is in.

	25-07-2002 11:36									#3
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oh, and Celts (or their kin). Emperor Brueneus (i cant spell and im not looking it up)

	25-07-2002 13:22									#4
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Ottomans, Spain, Viking, Carthage, Korea = Confirmed (5). Celts or Gaulls = either is in. (6).

Leaves us with two more, possibly Turks or Arabs, but those are likely not in, since the Ottomans are - Incans and Mayans can be in, though.

I've already stated that for many European players there will actually be too much Asian civs.

	25-07-2002 14:03									#5
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solver, you're missing the mongols

	25-07-2002 14:23									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Ottomans, Spain, Viking, Carthage, Korea = Confirmed (5). Celts or Gaulls = either is in. (6). Leaves us with two more, possibly Turks or Arabs, but those are likely not in, since the Ottomans are - Incans and Mayans can be in, though. I've already stated that for many European players there will actually be too much Asian civs.

Whoa, have I missed something?

I never heard Firaxxis say the Koreans were in.

	25-07-2002 14:45									#7
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Any ideas on their qualities? UU?

This discussion about who's in started ages ago, I can't believe it hasn't finished yet!

	25-07-2002 15:43									#8
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Yeah, I missed Mongols, stupid me .

Right, we only have 1 civ we don't know for sure. Well, generally 2 - 1 is we don't know if it's Celts or Gaulls, 2nd we don't know at all, though rumors are Incans, Arabs or Turks.

Firaxis said Korea is in in one of the chats.

	25-07-2002 16:54									#9
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My guess is these:

Spanish
Carthaginians
Vikings
Celts
Korea
Ottoman
Mongols
Arabs

	25-07-2002 20:31									#10
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which chat? i'd like confirmation...

	25-07-2002 21:58									#11
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I think 1.21f.

	25-07-2002 22:14									#12
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Firaxis mentions Genghis Khan (Mongols), Hannibal (Carthage), Isabella (Spain) and Brennus (Gauls), and their screenshots also show the Vikings (Norse?).

	25-07-2002 22:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed which chat? i'd like confirmation...

Firaxis was "duped" into saying Korea was in.

someoe asked a few questions about Korea, and this is what got him (IIRC, this is all from memory)

poly guy: "Is the Hwacha an artillery unit?"

firaxis: "yes"

poly guy: "Aren't the Koreans at a disadvantage for getting a golden age with an artillery unit?"

firaxis: "Would you say the Americans are at a disadvantage? But, then again, I know a few more things about PTW than you do."

	25-07-2002 22:47									#14
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ah, yes, i remember that.

but i'd hope there would be something much more solid.

	25-07-2002 22:54									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Leaves us with two more, possibly Turks or Arabs, but those are likely not in, since the Ottomans are - Incans and Mayans can be in, though.

Ottomans & Turks are the same civ.

quote: Originally posted by UberKruX poly guy: "Is the Hwacha an artillery unit?" firaxis: "yes" poly guy: "Aren't the Koreans at a disadvantage for getting a golden age with an artillery unit?" firaxis: "Would you say the Americans are at a disadvantage? But, then again, I know a few more things about PTW than you do."

That doesn't necisarily conferm that the Koreans are in, the Hwacha could be a new artillery that you get at gunpowder.

So far, the only civs that have been 'officialy' released are;
Spanish, Mongol, Celts, Viking, Ottoman, & Carthage.

	26-07-2002 00:24									#16
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Surely there will be at least one American civ, right? But if not, perhaps Firaxis is strategically holding back a few really cool civs for the next XP.

	26-07-2002 02:31									#17
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...so...

Carthaginians
Celts
Mongols
Ottomans
Spaniards
Vikings
Koreans

Since we have the Ottomans already, I don't think they are going to include another muslim civ.

If they want to cover the whole earth surface, they will probably include the Incas, but I don't think it's very likely to see a civ from Oceania in PTW (the polynesians, for example).

	26-07-2002 02:35									#18
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By the way, are the Koreans already confirmed ? ? ?

	26-07-2002 02:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Luis G. By the way, are the Koreans already confirmed ? ? ?

sorry, I missed the reply above...

	26-07-2002 04:21									#20
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Once again: Firaxis' site confirms the following civs (text + screenshots):

Carthage, Gauls, Mongols, Spain, Vikings

Korea is not mentioned (yet).

	26-07-2002 04:33									#21
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I think the Arabs are out actually. Looks like the figure head of what looked like an Arab leader previously might be the ottomans leader. Not happy!!!!

	26-07-2002 05:20									#22
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Well, I also remembered that they asked if the Hwacha was part of some Japanese pack or a second UU for the Japanese. Firaxis said no, so unless the Hwacha is going to be a generalized artillery unit, it has got to be for the Koreans.

	26-07-2002 16:07									#23
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Wrong. Firaxis said that Hwacha is a Unique Unit, because they said it can trigger a Golden Age. It's all in that chat.

	26-07-2002 19:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by dnassman I think the Arabs are out actually. Looks like the figure head of what looked like an Arab leader previously might be the ottomans leader. Not happy!!!!

You're right IMO. And while I'd like to see the Arabs in (even more than the Turks/Ottomans), there is at least hope now that the Incas are civ no. 8.

	27-07-2002 00:26									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Wrong. Firaxis said that Hwacha is a Unique Unit, because they said it can trigger a Golden Age. It's all in that chat.

I thought they said it can't trigger a Golden Age because it can't kill anybody.

quote: firaxis: "Would you say the Americans are at a disadvantage? But, then again, I know a few more things about PTW than you do."

	27-07-2002 21:29									#26
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Maybe they have Lethal Bombard.

	29-07-2002 05:18									#27
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lockstep, I hope you are right about the Incas being in because then at least it I could take the loss of not having the Arabs in a bit better.