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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:21
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I have noticed that I never get great leaders attacking out in the open with elite units. In all my games played the only time a Gl is generated is when I am killing off the >>Last<< defender in a city with an elite unit and thus taking the city. This usually comes when attacking a city with many defenders...and I usually have taken heavy casualties.
For example it goes like this. 12 horsemen attack 6 fortified spearmen in enemy capital city. I take bad losses lose 75% of my force..the last spearman is down to 3 bars. My elite horsemen attacks. He wins barely with one red bar.. *poof* rename unit screen GL created.
I am convinced that great leader generation occurs only when attacking a city. I am also thinking that it occurs possibly when an elite unit takes a city. I am also seeing that it happens after a tough battle when an elite unit almost dies (in the red).
I have tested this out over the last week playing sevreral games as Germany.
So to get a great leader.
1. Attack a city
2. wait until the last defender in the city is standing, then attack with your chosen elite unit (and cross your fingers).
3. Luckily if all goes well there is a 1/16 chance that that Elite unit will generate a leader whilst taking the city. I believ this is the only way you have a 1/16 chance to make a GL.
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Artifex
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Kentucky USA
Apr 2002
time: 05:21
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I never have them appear in the open. They always appear in the situation I described to a T.
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Gastric ReFlux
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GLs will definitely appear in the open. I once had Xerxes send a stack of doom into my territory (it had about 150 infantry, riflemen, and immortals). I pounded it with artillery, and in one turn of dismantling the stack, I generated 4 GLs. The first one got made into an army which then was victorious. The second then rush-built the Heroic Epic, and I believe the next two hurried factories in two cities.
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RedBird
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quote:
Originally posted by candidgamera
Thought that you could only have one GL at a time - that not so from your comments? |
Only one at a time, but not only one per turn. There is no limit to the number per turn. Just use the GL so your leader box is empty again (in the mil advisor screen), and you're ready to go (provided you don't use an elite which has already gen'd a GL).
Last edited by RedBird on 26-07-2002 at 22:02
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Gastric ReFlux
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quote:
Originally posted by candidgamera
Gastric Reflex:
Thought that you could only have one GL at a time - that not so from your comments?
Self: last game during a 30 year war with Russians and British as Americans generated 3-4 GL's in the same 3-4 square area. Later founded a city nearby named "Sacrifice River" in commemoration. |
You need to be wise in the way of using them. When I got the first leader, he immediately formed an army. Then the next immediately ran back, over railroads, to a city and built the Heroic Epic. And so on. Get one, use it as fast you can so your elites have chances again to produce GLs.
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RedBird
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quote:
Originally posted by Gastric ReFlux
Get one, use it as fast you can so your elites have chances again to produce GLs. |
Just so long as you remember not to use the same elites.
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seano1
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San Jose, CA
Mar 2002
time: 21:21
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Well you naturally notice getting more leaders in situations where you win more combats. And are the most combats? Were stacks of units attack cities of course?
One thing I’ve noticed is that I’ve only once gotten a leader fighting barbarians
Last edited by seano1 on 29-07-2002 at 10:57
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seano1
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San Jose, CA
Mar 2002
time: 21:21
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quote:
Originally posted by The Pioneer
I have got GL on open ground not too often but I have. I usually get t hem when attcking cities but I also got them when I defended out in the open!
Seano1 ar you sure about that? Can you post a save? I am pretty sure that there is no GL generation from attacking/defending barbarians.
So long.... |
Actually, I’m not really sure. I just have a sort of vague memory.
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Theseus
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The warmonger formerly known as rpodos. Gathering Storm! Apolyton Spirit!!
Apr 2002
time: 00:21
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No GLs from barbs.
Location doesn't matter, other than in the context of defense bonuses.
No greater likelihood for UUs, other than combat bonuses.
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With that out of the way, a short primer in generating early GLs:
The setting, Ancient Era, having researched Bronze Working, Iron Working, and Horseback Riding.
In considering the AI civs around, look for a bottleneck with an adjacent mountain. For instance, I did this yesterday using el mencey's 100x100 Earth map... there is a 1 Desert tile bottleneck at the NW corner of India, with water to the south and a mountain to the north.
If there are any foreign cities nearby, raze them.
Use that mountain as a forward battle station; in my case, I used a 2X Sword Army as the defender, but you could just as well use a bunch of Swordsmen and Spearmen (although the ZOC free shot from the Army helps).
As single enemy troops stream by, keep hitting them with the same Horsemen, over and over again. Retreat back onto the mountain to heal up. For stacks, use vet Horsemen as fabric softeners, then use elite Swordsmen to KILL, and then mop up the last unit with an elite Horseman.
Just a matter of time.
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