26-07-2002 18:53									#1
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CGA — the Certified Gamers Alliance — is widening its horizons. The group has been formed as a gathering place for mature, adult gamers (25+) who take the fun of on-line gaming seriously. With over 275 full members from all over the globe, the chances of getting a great game of something with people you can trust is guaranteed!

Visit us at www.cgagamers.com and read our charter for details.

You are not alone!

	26-07-2002 18:53									#2
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BTW, I'm not a complete newbie. I just changed nicks. Some of you may remember me as DangerMouse.

	26-07-2002 19:09									#3
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Well, I read your charter and I have a question. By whom are thee certified?

	26-07-2002 19:42									#4
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Jimmy,

Well, the "certified" just means that the members certify that they agree to our three basic tenets:

1. You are over 25 years old.
2. You don't cheat or exploit game bugs
3. Don't be a jerk.

BTW, if you want to get a flavour of our membership, drop by the BBS and hang around the public area for a bit. You'll find we have people from around the globe who are active participants.

http://bbs.cgagamers.com

	26-07-2002 19:45									#5
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I can't emphaize the global nature of CGA enough. Some other groups I belong to seem to be predominately north american. In the CGA we have many members from (outside of US and Canada):

1. UK
2. The Netherlands
3. Sweden
4. Austria
5. France
6. Finland
6. India
7. Australia
8. Japan

In fact, the Euro contingent is one of our most active and vocal groups.

	26-07-2002 21:24									#6
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age discrimination

	26-07-2002 22:49									#7
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More like immaturity discrimination.

And soliciting.

	26-07-2002 22:57									#8
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quote: And soliciting.

Guilty as charged

Still, I try to not be obnoxious about it.

	27-07-2002 04:11									#9
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I can tell you that there is no difference between someones muturity levle that is 24 verses someoen that is 25. Plus your an adult at 18 so your title is false.

	27-07-2002 04:30									#10
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Besides: I'm 26 and very immature...

	27-07-2002 04:37									#11
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Hey, I'm 21 and I'm very mature! Áge discrimination indeed!

I hereby announce that I shall boycot your organization !!

	27-07-2002 08:07									#12
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I don't see why you can't lower the age to at least 21. 25 seem arbitrarily high, especially given the average age of most gamers...

	27-07-2002 08:36									#13
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When you become 25 you will see why they made it 25...

	27-07-2002 09:02									#14
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Don't want to join your fascist club anyway No I was kidding, but seriously don't you think what you are doing is a little immature in itself. Don't mean to be rude but it sounds like someone is still a little bitter they got beet at starcraft or something

	27-07-2002 09:28									#15
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It seems as though the vast majority of players are in their teens and early twenties, tops. Not exactly a mind-melting revelation.

But at what age does playing Civ3 become an embarrassment? Is there an expiration date stamped on the box? (recommended for players 12 to 21. Your mileage may vary.)

	27-07-2002 10:05									#16
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Its silly to keep people out based solely on age. Beyond early teen years, maturity & decency have little to do with age and more to do with personal discipline. No matter how international you are, any restriction that excludes people based on unalterable differences (rather than choices and behavior) shows a fear of the unknown and an unwillingness to expand your comfort zone. what if you didn't let in homosexuals just because you personally believed they couldn't behave themselves? Or African Americans simply because you didn't think you had any shared interests? Age discrimination is no less predjudice even if it is more socially acceptable.

	27-07-2002 10:07									#17
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p.s. I am over 25.

	27-07-2002 14:20									#18
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Dan was 17(to take the youngest of the two) when we opened Apolyton and i hope you dont characterize our site as immature

	27-07-2002 14:45									#19
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Are you sure the CGA, aka, Certified General Accountants, won't sue your ass off?

Look what happened the WWF

	27-07-2002 15:00									#20
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The ages of 18 and 21 are just as arbitrary as 25, 35 or 55. They are just chronological ages, after all.

If I ever get into on-line gaming, I may look into the CGA.

	27-07-2002 15:40									#21
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Why do I feel like my bigger brother won't let me hang out with his bigger friends?

Seriously though, its tough for us younger, mature gamers. It seems as though, however, that those who put in the time and paitence to learn and play Civ III, well, already demonstrate their maturity Being 17 stinks

	27-07-2002 17:14									#22
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Guys, I'm not here to defend our age policy. It was put into place by a general vote by our membership. If you want to debate with our members about why they picked 25, I suggest you drop by the board and have that debate with them.

quote: It seems as though the vast majority of players are in their teens and early twenties, tops.

Which is exactly why groups like the CGA exist. There are older adult gamers, but they are often hidden in the woodwork. I am just here to let people know that a place exists where older gamers gather to organize and play online games as well as socialize with their peers.

	27-07-2002 17:18									#23
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Mwahaha, unless you drop your age restriction to 14 ( which would allow me to play) i will boycott your club

	27-07-2002 17:19									#24
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG Dan was 17(to take the youngest of the two) when we opened Apolyton and i hope you dont characterize our site as immature

And Ming is still older than you and Dan combined .

	27-07-2002 17:24									#25
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when one approaches to a group of people to inform about/advertise something, comments/criticism is to be expected

the fact that your group decided to put an extra age filter beyond the "dont be a jerk" one(which would cover pretty much everything imho) is certainly creating the wrong impression to many "adults" that would otherwise be interested in joining you

	27-07-2002 17:29									#26
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Very well said Markos .

	27-07-2002 17:31									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Solver And Ming is still older than you and Dan combined .

if we put down the exact ages of the three at the time ming was "hired" by us, and started "taking orders" from us, i fear some... adults would be shocked!

sorry Sleestax, but basic ideas of your group are dead wrong
it's one thing to say "we are that kind of people, we like to do this stuff and we accept only other people like us in our group" and another to say "it's impossible that you are like us if you are under 25. grow up first"

	27-07-2002 17:40									#28
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Yes, judging people by age is wrong. Dan was only 15 when he took over one of the biggest Civ 2 sites on the Net, and did manage it nicely.

Markos, I think Dan was 18, you were 23 and Ming like 45 at the time, right?

	27-07-2002 17:56									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Sleestax Guys, I'm not here to defend our age policy. It was put into place by a general vote by our membership.

And of course you have to be 25 to vote. Kind of reminds me of the old American South. Time after time, they kept voting for white supremacy. Well, that settled the issue -- NOT!

	27-07-2002 17:57									#30
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quote: when one approaches to a group of people to inform about/advertise something, comments/criticism is to be expected

Too right, that.

I have no problem with the criticism directed my way. I've heard it all before and much worse. Obviously the CGA isn't for everyone.

There are countless gaming groups that allow people of all ages. In the end, people will gravitate towards the ones with which they are most comfortable.