30-08-1999 13:03									#1
	Would anyone like me to organize a second PBEM game? Suffering from ads?

My first PBEM game is now full, just have to wait for 2 more players for confirmation. I don't want to look like a PBEM hosting hog but if nobody is organizing another game I'd be happy to do another one. This PBEM game will most likely be a game with CD's mod version 4.2(original) but I'll be happy to go with the default Activision files.

Interested players please contact me on mywon1@student.monash.edu.au

	30-08-1999 18:41									#2
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Count me in, I did try your contact but could not get through!

Will I need to install Cd Mod 4.2?

Thanks
Steve.
steve@pbunn.freeserve.co.uk

	30-08-1999 20:06									#3
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I'd like to play....preferably a game with CD's 4.2 mod. Email address is Confuzer@topsurf.com. Would like to be the Germans. Thanks.

	30-08-1999 20:39									#4
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Monkey,


I'd like to play, too. On MOD side I am fine to go with CD's MOD. However we may want to wait until the ApolyonPack is out (target for uploading is following weekend) as it will include:
a) CD's Mod 4.2
b) Graphics for CD's Mod
c) Harlan's Graphics Mod
d) Tp's Powerslics
e) Revised color00.txt to make the radar map better readable

I also propose do get to a gentlemen's agreement not using Alpha Transporters and Cruise Missiles. Reason: The AI does not know how to use them so using them would be an unfair approach putting the AI (even more) behind humans.

Are you ok with this gentlemen's agreement and the ApolytonPack proposal ?


TP
(ctp_slics@yahoo.com)
[This message has been edited by TP (edited August 30, 1999).]

	30-08-1999 20:41									#5
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I'll go for that...but I'm itching to play....hurry hurry!! BTW my ICQ # is 47956077 if it helps any. Thanks.

	30-08-1999 20:50									#6
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Monkey,


I am also eager to play, so in case the majority of players does not want to wait for the ApolytonPack but go with CD's MOD 4.2 only, I am fine of course.

Will you send out a ZIP-File (either CD's MOD 4.2 only or ApolytonPack) containing everything we need so we all have a 100% identical installation ?).

By the way, I would like to play the Greek.


TP


P.S.Actually the Greeks will be led by two persons: TP and his girlfriend :-)

	31-08-1999 03:37									#7
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Ok I think I will start up a CD's mod version 4.2 game only since I've got 3 people already.

TP, my major worry is with the standardization of CD's mod. Many players have either modified CD's mod or the graphics are not complete. This will make it difficult for players to have the same mod. I'm glad something like the Apolyton pack is coming out and I'd be more than happy to use it. I'd fully recommend players to wait for it before I start.

If players are impatient I can start up either a CD's mod version 4.2(original without sprites) or another default Activision game.

however I now want this game to be a tribute to CD/Apolyton/Modmakers so I'd be prepared to wait for the Apolyton pack. Or someone else can do this tribute PBEM game....

Ok current alpha list for the Apolyton's tribute PBEM

1)Steve Bunn
2)Confuzer
3)TP

If anyone wants to host this game, let me know. What would really make this game special is that either CD or Markos host this one! I don't have to be host in this one, I'd be happy just organizing it

	31-08-1999 03:50									#8
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Just had a thought... maybe the first Apolyton tribute PBEM should only contain players that have contributed greatly to the mod eg Celestial DAwn, Markos, Harlan, TP etc
Any remaining spots can be filled by any other players (first come first served?)

Don't worry if you don't make it to the Apolyton tribute game.... I'll be hosting another game to cater for that

Anyone want to inform CD about the tribute game?

	31-08-1999 05:44									#9
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well i don't think i have any rights for a tribute game, so if you make such an official thing let me out. But i really like to be in a pbem, so just add me to whatever you start else.
I just read tp's information about using patch 1.2 with the german version. if that works ( i really think it will do but haven't tried so far), i'll be able to join.
my adress is ritz-wi@reze-1.rz.rwth-aachen.de
i don't care much about which nation i play. germans could be fun but i think their are already given away.

Ok i just checked the download section and couldn't find it. so it still might take a bit of time until i will be able to play but if there is still a place for me, when the 'unofficilal patch 1.2 for german/english' is there please count me in.
[This message has been edited by Zaphod Beeblebrox (edited August 30, 1999).]

	31-08-1999 15:06									#10
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Current alpha list of CD's mod ver 4.2 PBEM game. (not the tribute game)

1) Steve Bunn
2) Confuzer
3) TP
4) Zaphod (if he can get his english/german version working)

I'm thinking of maybe limiting the number of players in this game so we could have faster turns. Maybe I'll wait to see how my first game goes with 8 players. Also if I limit the number of players we could start sooner since I have all the above players e-mail addresses.

I havent tried loading CD's mod into that brand new spanking directory structure so I don't exactly know how installing a mod works.

Monkey

	31-08-1999 15:23									#11
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<> So are we playing? Been waiting forever for this patch so we could do PBEM...tally ho I say! Lets get on with it!

	01-09-1999 13:28									#12
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Update of the second PBEM game..

Ok who says I should close this PBEM game now?

I've got 6 players including me confirmed plus I've reserved one spot for a player that might not make it to my first game...

So the list of current players are:

1)Steve Bunn

2)Confuzer

3)TP

4)Zaphod Beeblebrox (if he gets his unofficial patch to work soon)

5)Don, which just sent me an e-mail today asking to join.

Plus one spot is reserved for a player named Ed if he doesn't make it into the first game AND if he wants to join this one.

That makes six and including me, seven. I need a show of hands...

Should I close the game now with seven players max OR....

Should I wait for an eighth player since we already have seven?

I just downloaded the cdmod graphics pack today so if players are demanding for it I can e-mail players both CD's mod version 4.2 and the CD's mod graphics pack. What's the size limit of a file attachment in an email anyway?

Monkey signing out....

	01-09-1999 23:04									#13
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OK i just downloaded and installed that 'inofficial' german patch 1.2 and it seems to work fine. (Vielen Vielen Dank für Deine Bemühungen, TP!). This means i'm ready to start, though i'd prefer waiting for player number eight. I think it can only be a few days, if not even hours for him or her to appear. taking in regard that the game might run for lot over a year that doesn't appear too long for me. But start whenever you want to. I currently use cd's mod and the graphics for that one. Will we stick to these or take the apolyton pack?

	02-09-1999 02:28									#14
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ok, Paul is our eighth player. This PBEM game is now closed. I will be sending confirmation letters soon that will confirm your e-mail addresses and I will require info about your timezones to help me organize the order of the list.

In the meantime, I suggest all players read my rules version ...

	02-09-1999 04:03									#15
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Ok i'm going to try a new method of ordering people according to timezones... I will send out an e-mail to all players... each player will reply back at the most likely time they want to play the game and I will base the order on the order the e-mails reply come back to me. What do people think of this?

	03-09-1999 09:21									#16
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Hey Monkey

What's happening with this game?

	03-09-1999 09:28									#17
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Are we going to wait for the Apolyton pack.
How long will that take?

	03-09-1999 01:49									#18
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2nd PBEM game update....

Ok people I have sent out e-mails to people to confirm their e-mails and raise any thing else that they might have about this game.

I've also got some bad news... I might have to drop myself from this game I just realized that I probably will have to go home for the holidays and unless I find a job and stay in uni or my brother lets me loads CTP on his computer I will not be able to play for the period December(start) to February(end). So unless anyone does not object to my civ being an AI for that period of time I have no choice but to drop out.

Who will be host?

I've decided that one of the players already in this game should be host. I've already got the players together, all you have to do is start the game. If you need more players I could get you in contact with some more players. E-mail me or post on this thread if you want to host this game. If needed I am able to help you further organize the game, I just wont be able to play in it.

Apologies to all, I feel like a scoundrel now

Monkey( mywon1@student.monash.edu.au)
[This message has been edited by Monkey (edited September 02, 1999).]

	03-09-1999 14:28									#19
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Ok everybody,

I was just on the creation forum and it seems to me that the Apolyton pack is close to launching. It is up to version 0.55 now so I figured it wont be too long before it is posted... it is better if we use the Apolyton pack for this PBEM because it unzips it into the same scenario folders for everyone...and it contains all the graphics for CD's mod and Harlan's city graphics. Harlan's city graphics alone is worth the wait.... plus TP's powerslics and...and.... IS THAT ZAZ'S WORLD MAP???!!!! Damnabbit, I'm drooling like a monkey now

	03-09-1999 15:15									#20
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Just counted the numbers and we only have seven players...

1)Me, Monkey
2)Zaphod
3)TP
4)Paul
5)Confuzer
6)Steve Bunn
7)DON

I know I have officially closed the game but I received an e-mail from one more person asking to join and I just realized that we only have seven players... since I have banned Ed from any of my PBEM games until further notice.

It is up to you guys whether you still want an eighth player, since we are waiting for the Apolyton Pack so we wont be starting till the weekend?

I will be sending out a test email to you guys tomorrow so when you get it reply back at the time which you think you most likely be checking your e-mail. This will help be make up the final ordering of players.... Thanking alll
[This message has been edited by Monkey (edited September 03, 1999).]

	04-09-1999 03:18									#21
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PBEM update...

Bad news guys... one of the players have dropped out...and Paul sent me this e-mail:

quote: The tga, wav and gl files don't work if they are in the scenario directories. There is an even worse problem with the scenario structure; if you save the game and quit CTP for the second time it will no longer recognize that it was a scenario game and you will get error messages. I tried this and a test PBEM game and there it is even worse; it will not recognize the scenario structure when the second player starts the game. With single player there is a workaround which involves starting a new scenario game before loading your saved game; however, this does not work with PBEM because you can only load PBEM games by double-clicking on them. There are three things we can do now: 1. We wait until Activision fixes this. Considering the time it takes Activision to bring out new patches I think that would probably take too long. 2. We install the CD's mod and graphics or the Apolyton Pack in the main directory structure. This has the disadvantage of no longer allowing to play the original game. That would cause serious problems for people who are also involved in other PBEM games that use the original files. 3. We play with Activision's original files. Considering the disadvantages of the other two options I would suggest that we do this unless someone comes up with a way to load PBEM games with scenario support.

So unless the PBEM support the mods 100% I move that we play with the default files... a vote from players is needed

	04-09-1999 04:09									#22
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Ok since noone spoke up I am using my hosting power (dictatorship? ) to instate Armitage into this game. This makes the number of players to seven. The eighth spot is reserved for Ed since he came up with a valid excuse for not responding to my e-mails.

unless no one objects to me by the next two or three days, I might start the game with the default Activision files, format the same as my first PBEM game. (Read my rules version 1 for the format)

players for this game are (in no particular order):

1)Steve Bunn
2)Confuzer
3)Zaphod
4)Paul
5)Armitage
6)DON
7) Last but not least me, Monkey!

I will try to get this game up and running in 2 days...

	04-09-1999 20:08									#23
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Some good news: there is a way to play PBEM with scenario packs. This also works with single player games. Here are some instructions on how to do that:

When you receive the saved game put it in ...\scenarios\apolyton\scen0000 and rename it to savegame.csg, start CTP, click e-mail game, click select scenario, select Apolyton Pack, select Apolyton Naked.

If you want to be able to start regular random map games you should make a new directory for your PBEM games. it should be ...\scenarios\apolyton\scen0004, put a scenario.txt in it and change the last line in ...\scenarios\apolyton\packlist.txt from 4 to 5.

	05-09-1999 09:01									#24
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Paul,

I appreciate your work on finding out this scenario situation and it's great you found out a way to PBEM games with the scenario pack but.....

do players really want to go through all that trouble just to load one turn? I certainly wouldn't want to...it already takes far too long to load up CTP!!! if everyone else wants to do that then I have no choice but to accept the groups decision... all players are encouraged to voice up your opinions now...

On a further note Zaphod has offered to be a host...although he'd would prefer it if someone else does it. Zaphod, all that a PBEM host has to do is to do all the organization work before the game starts and respond to all problems and request from the players during the game. It's OK Zaph I'll be the host for now until the game launches(which means I get stuck with all the dirty work ) and then once I have to leave, I'll let you be in charge. Of course if anyone else is interested in being the host then tell me...

Currently I'm waiting for all my test emails to return back to me before the final order of players is announced....

Settings of game same as my first game? See the thread Monkey's PBEM rules version 1 for the settings of that game...

	05-09-1999 06:36									#25
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Ok players,

I've decided to start up a trial game using the defaults files... The game will start tomorrow.

The reason for this is because of the poor way Activision has implemented the scenario and PBEM issue. Plus I havent the time to incorporate one zip file with CD's mod and Cd's graphics which unzip into the appropriate directories because I'm very inexperienced with this whole scenario structure thing and to make matters worse I believe the graphics and gl files have to be somewhere else other than the scenario directories??!!!!!

I'd appreciate it if someone gives me a hand at creating a zip file with CD's mod version 4.2 and CD's graphics which unzips into the appropriate directories and creates the appropriate scenario directories with the err... appropriate text files(packlist.txt?). Paul, you seem to know what you are doing... do you think you could do this? We would probably have to beta test it as well just to make sure it works.....so unless the Apolyton pack comes out soon...

I only want to start the game now with the default files because I think if we had to wait for a standard mod to come out we would have to wait a few more days at the very least and I know players are getting impatient.... so if no one have severe objections the trial game will start tomorrow... I will send e-mails to all players with the relevant order of the turns later today...

	05-09-1999 16:40									#26
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The thread "Apolyton Pack providers" in the CTP Creation forum has a link to version 0.90 of the Apolyton Pack. This version is fully functional; or at least as functional is it can be with Activision's scenario implementation.