28-07-2002 03:04									#1
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Which SP are the coolest ? Not only in game, but if we were to buil IRL a SP, which ones would be the coolests ?

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	28-07-2002 03:18									#2
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Sorry, I couldnt put every Sp in the poll, so I tried to gather some who sounds "alike". Sorry as well for the translation, I got the game in French, and only played it a couple of times in English, so I dont know all the names of the SPs

	28-07-2002 05:04									#3
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I'd really, really like to have a working theory of everything. From there, all the rest is just math ...

	28-07-2002 05:46									#4
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The Dream Twister is "Neural Storm" in French? Well a twister is a tornado, i.e. a storm of sorts, but I think the latter is infinitely cool, if judging by names. Neural Storm.

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	28-07-2002 06:32									#5
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That's interesting, I always understood "Dream Twister" as meaning that it twists (warps) dreams. Cool.

My all-time favorite, though, is the Space Elevator. Since I'm in the biomedical field, the Cyborg Factory and the Cloning Vats rock too.

	28-07-2002 14:07									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia The Dream Twister is "Neural Storm" in French? Well a twister is a tornado, i.e. a storm of sorts, but I think the latter is infinitely cool, if judging by names. Neural Storm.

Dream Twister : Le Tourbillon des Rêves
L'Amplificateur Neuronal : Neural Amplifier

I put them together since they have quite common effects, and I dont had place for every SP... Just judging by name, the Theory of Everything sounds the coolest

	28-07-2002 15:07									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Which SP are the coolest ? Not only in game, but if we were to buil IRL a SP, which ones would be the coolests ?

Planetary transit system! going to leningrad would be so much easier...

Ascent to transcendence for obvious reasons.

Theory of Everyting would be reptty cool too.

the only ones I probably wouldnt like is "Dream Twister" (again, for obvious reasons), and "Clinical Immortality and Cloning Vats" (overpopulation!!!!!)

	28-07-2002 19:39									#8
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Oh no, a French version of che!

	28-07-2002 22:07									#9
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Although i'm not entirely sure what it is, i think the Telepathic Matrix would be pretty cool. Or maybe its just that soothing video?

	29-07-2002 01:00									#10
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Ascetics Virtues, if I don't remember totaly wrong so is it a pretty nice quote from Yang there

	29-07-2002 01:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by waab Ascetics Virtues, if I don't remember totaly wrong so is it a pretty nice quote from Yang there

Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone for they warp the matrix in which we percieve the world. extend your awareness outward, to the self of group, and to the self of humanity. the goals of the group and of the greater race are transcendent, and to know this is to achieve enlightenment.

Or something like that.

	29-07-2002 02:19									#12
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Telepathic Matrix. its a must have if you have the cloning vats. trust me.

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quote: Originally posted by Sargoth Telepathic Matrix. its a must have if you have the cloning vats. trust me.

quote: Not only in game, but if we were to buil IRL a SP, which ones would be the coolests ?

And sorry I couldnt put the Telepath Matrix in the poll.

	29-07-2002 15:52									#14
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I'm inclined to think the Telepathic Matrix would be cool too, but I don't know what I'd use it for.

	29-07-2002 16:23									#15
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Hmmm 4 persons voted Ascetic Virtues as the coolest IRL SP... Kinda wierd... Anyway I voted Spatial Elevator, Weather Paradigm, Theory of Everything, and of coursse, Ascent to Transcendance

	30-07-2002 00:23									#16
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Maybe the translator (or the Firaxis people even) hit on the 'tornado' meaning of 'twister' insteasd of the 'distortion' meaning. It might be interesting to see how it (or the other SPs) got translated into other languages.

	30-07-2002 02:15									#17
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I voted Ascent to Transcendence and ToE/Supercollider.
The latter because I'm a scientist, and the Ascent because I think/hope/fear everything else will come sometime.
I think we'll get sometime something which would be called a ToE, although (not being an expert in the field) I think the string theory stuff is too complicated. All other advances we have made since the 16th century actually were simplifications (which means simpler concepts, sometimes more horrible maths, which is not a contradiction). I've not yet read anything about string theory having less requirements (as both quantum mechanics and relativity have as opposed to Newtonian mechanics).
Ascetic virtues: I'm already catholic (see the movie), but not an ascetic one . Weather paradigm: I don't see what is special in it, or how one can make a "quantum leap" (silly expression ) advance. Weather is a chaotic system and advance means probably "increase computing power by a factor of 10 and you can get quite exact forecasts for six hours more". And so on. So "really cool" is to completely change the structures of consciousness.
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	30-07-2002 02:21									#18
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Oh, maybe I should add for non-physicists: For physicists, a Theory of Everything is "simply" a theory which unifies the principal forces of electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong interaction. This is already achieved (I think the Nobel prize 2000 was awarded for the final bit) for all except gravity. After this, there is as bondetamp said just maths, quite a bit of maths, and not to forget quantum fluctuations. At least if one follows the dreams of those who work a the ToE.

	30-07-2002 06:27									#19
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human genome (i guess we could cure things) UT (i wouldn't have to learn french anymore! not that its bad i just hate my teacher ), weather paradigm and nano factory (it would be sooooo useful!)

	30-07-2002 10:20									#20
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Merchant by far for me. You get it early in the game and it never expires unlike the civ counterpart. It's always the first secret project I build and always in my HQ (no ineffic) which gives me a great bust for energy and research. If I'm lucky enough and my HQ is on uranium, than I'm a happy happy despot.

Marc

	30-07-2002 12:48									#21
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quote: Merchant by far for me. You get it early in the game and it never expires unlike the civ counterpart. It's always the first secret project I build and always in my HQ (no ineffic) which gives me a great bust for energy and research. If I'm lucky enough and my HQ is on uranium, than I'm a happy happy despot.

Marc, please read more carefully. the question was about building it In Real Life. We already have plenty of Merchant Exchange, adn the world wouldnt be better/worst if we had one more, unlike the Universal Translator, for example.

	30-07-2002 14:26									#22
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I would like to see Universal Translator coming to life.

With it we could understand every possible language there is (Why isn't this Secret Project called "the Babel Fish ). We would understand why and how the ancient Egyptians built the pyramids, ect...

	30-07-2002 23:19									#23
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I allways have to get Comand Nexus, Citizen's Defence Force and Weather Paradigm. and I allways play Spartans.

ascetic virtues wouldbe cool too but, I usually play with police state SE choise, so I don't really need it.

Cyborg Factory is another must have but that was not in the list. (and so is that naval yard thingy and that cloudspace academy)

aaglo: same here.

	31-07-2002 04:58									#24
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look again. cyborg factory is in the list, its just called cyborg usine (which is factory in french) because pandemoniak didn't know what it was in english.

	31-07-2002 05:31									#25
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I voted for Theory of Everything and Voice of Planet.

Theory of Everything-If this was possible IRL we'd know practically everything.

Voice of Planet-We'd know just how much the planet dislikes us drilling for oil, polluting the oceans, and filling the air with exhaust fumes.

	31-07-2002 10:51									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Pandemoniak Marc, please read more carefully.

Ack! My bad dude! IRL, Space Elevators. But I think I read somewhere something about the gravitational pull, soil structure and some other factor makes it very unlikely for one to be built on Earth.

	31-07-2002 11:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Planetary transit system! going to leningrad would be so much easier...

Wouldn't you need a time machine to go to Leningrad?

	31-07-2002 11:16									#28
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo I would like to see Universal Translator coming to life. With it we could understand every possible language there is (Why isn't this Secret Project called "the Babel Fish ).

Because it is supposed to actually work?

	31-07-2002 11:21									#29
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Well, I'm surprised that more people aren't interested in the Ascent to Transcendence. Aren't you just a little bit curious about that? Perhaps Fireaxis made a mistake in making SMAC so interesting, as now fewer people are interested in foregoing the pleasures of the flesh for those of the Transcendent thought.

	31-07-2002 11:39									#30
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I don't want to ascend to Transcendence... yet. I still want to fool around.