01-08-2002 00:35									#1
	Guide to the other civs, 750bc. Suffering from ads?

I orirginally did this as a one shot deal, but then someone asked about making it periodical, and I got to thinking. Originally, I said every 15 turns, but that might be too long, and besides a turn based timescale has no relevance to our game. So I have deiced I will do it every 2 turnchats. Now, to use TV terminology, this one becomes episode #1, and 875bc becomes the pilot. The nest report will be after the next two turnchats.

A few new things. I will include the diplomatic arrengements between civs, and also, in the annalysis section, give trends, or how things have changed from the previous report.

Again, in the city section, first number is pop., second cultural radius. In resources, if its bold, its connected, normal, it is not, and italics, its right outside their borders.

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	01-08-2002 00:55									#2
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GREECE: ALEXANDER
Government: Despotism, treasury 174 gold.
Relations: Polite to us. Has Right of Passage (RoP) with England,France, Americans,Aztecs,Rome.
Cities: Total population 24.
Athens:6,3 ; Sparta:3,3 ; Thermopylae:3,2 ; Corinth:2,2 ; Delphi:2,1 ; Pharsalos:2,2 ; Knossos:1,1 ;
Argos:1,1 ;Mycenea:1,1 ; Herakleia:2,1 :Ephesus:1,1.
Resources: horse, wine 2 iron,horse
Relative to Apolyton: Average Military, best unit Hoplite.
Dismissive of our culture, our technical equal.
Distance: Capitol to Capitol: 19 squares. Border to Border 1 square.
Note: Building Pyramids in Athens.

Analysis: The Greeks have grown in pop. (from 19 to 24) and have seen various cities expand culturally. Ephesus is new and is north of Chicago, in very high growth region (3 wheat on floodplain). They seem to be cutting Americans of from Ivory coast. They have also made 173 gold in 5 turns....

ENGLAND: ELIZABETH
Government: Despotism, treasury 0 gold.
Relations: Annoyed with us, no embassy, will cost 45 gold. Has RoP wih Greeks.
Cities: total pop. 24.
London:5,3 ; York:2,2 ; Nottingham:3,1 ; Hastings: 2,1 ;
Cantebury:2,1 ; Coventry:2,1 ; Warwick 3,1 ; Newcastle:1,1 ; Oxford: 2,1 ; Liverpool:1,1 ; Dover:1,1
Resources: wine, iron 2 wine,ivory, horse horse
Relative to Apolyton:Average Military, best unit spearman. unimpressed with our culture, our technical equals.b Have construction.
Distance: Cap. to Cap:25, Border to Border: 10.
NOte: building pyramids in London.

Analysis: Have also seen jump in pop., by 33% but have not added any cultural limits. Ahead of us in tech. Have spent 140 in the last 5 turns....

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	01-08-2002 01:18									#3
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PERSIA: XERXES
Gov. despotism, treasury:0.
Relations: Cautious with us, have RoP with Greeks.
Cities: Total pop:24.
Persepolis:6,3 ; Pasargadae:3,1 ; Susa:2,1 ; Arbela:2,1
Antioch:1,1 Tarsus:2,1 Gordium:2,1 Bactra:2,1 Sidon:1,1
Tyre: 1,1
3 spice, 3 incense iron
Relative to us: Average military, best unit archer ,impressed with our culture, our tech. equals. Have currrency and Construction.
Distance: C-C: 18, B-B:0
Notes: Building Pyramids in Persepolis

Analysis: Still in REX mode. Have made a fair military, but few temples. Still no immortals. Have also seen strong pop. growth +6 pop. points. Have moved on to Medieval age.

ROME:CEASAR
Gov. Despotism, treasury 29.
Relations: Annoyed with us, no embassy, will cost 62. Have RoP with Greeks, Americans.
Cities: Total pop. 13.
Rome 2,3 Veii:1,1 Antium:1,1 Cumae:2,1 Neapolis:1,1 Pompeii:1,1 Pisae: 2,1 Ravenna:1,1 Hispalis:1,1, Viroconium:1,1 Lugdunum:1,1
iron, horses, 4 wine ivory spice, horse
Relative to us: Average military, Legionary best unit, impressed with our culture, our tech equal.
Distance: C-C:43, B-B:25.
Note: Building Pyramid in Rome.

Analysis: Romans have added 2 cities in the last 5 turns. They have produced Legions and have begun the Pyramids. They have also spent a lot of gold.

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	01-08-2002 01:30									#4
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FRANCE:JOAN
Government: Despotism, treasury 144.
Relations: Polite towards us, no embassy, will cost 37. Have RoP with Greeks, Americans.
Cities: Total pop. 18.
Paris:4,3 Tours:2,1 Orleans:2,2 Rheims:1,1 Lyons:2,1 Marseilles:2,1 Chartres:2,1 Avinon:1,1 Besacon:1,1 Rouen:1,1
horses,2 wine iron.iron
Relative to us: Weak military, best unit spearman, impressed with our culture, our tech equals. Have currency and construction, are in the medieval age.
Distance: C-C:13, B-B:1.
Note: Building Pyramids in Paris.

Analysis: Hva egained some pop. but not much culture. Rouen lies on the coast south of Orleans. The french have not upgraded their military, but they have made 140 gold lately.

GERMANY:BISMARCK
Government: Despotism,treasury 31.
Relations: Annoyed at us, no embassy, will cost 36. Have RoP with Greeks, Americans.
Cities: Total pop: 19.
Berlin:6,3 Leipzig:4,1 Hamburg:1,2 Konisberg:1,2 Frankfurt:4,1 Munich:1,1 Heidelberg 1,1 Nuremberg:1,1
wine iron 2 iron, horses
Relative to us: Average military, best unit archer. impressed with our culture, tech equals.
Distance: C-C:18, B-B:1.
Note: Building Pyramids in Berlin.

Analysis: The Germans ahve added Nuremberg, to the north, and have seen two citites expand culturally. They have also made some money.

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	01-08-2002 01:43									#5
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AZTECS: MONTEZUMA
Gov: despotism, treasury 3.
Relations: Polite towards us, no embassy, will cost 55. Have RoP with Greeks, Americans.
Cities (damn Nahuatl ): total pop. 14
Tenochtitlan:4,3 Teotihuacan:2,1 Tlatelolco:1,1 Texcoco:2,2 Tlaxcala:1,2 Calixtlahuaca:1,1 Xochicalco:1,1
Tlacopan:1,1 Atzcapotzalco:1,1
2 wine,horses ivory horses,iron
Relative to us: Weak military, best unit archer. Unimpressed with our culture, tech equals.
Distance: C-C:30, B-B:13.
Note: Building Pyramids in Tenochtitlan.

Analysis: Have done very little in last 5 turns, no pop. growth, still in REX. have spent most of their money.

RUSSIANS: CATHERINE
Government: Despotism, 17 gold.
Relations: Annoyed with us, no embassy, will cost 53.
Cities: Total pop. 17.
Moscow:6,3 St. Petesburg:1,1 Kiev:3,1 Minsk:2,1 Smolensk:1,1 Odessa:1,1 sevastapol:1,1 Tblisi:1,1 Sverdlovsk:1,1
horses horse iron, 2 dye
Relative to us: Weak military, best unit horsemen, impressed with our culture, our tech equal.
Distance: C-C:35, B-B:15.
Note: Bulding Pyramids in Moscow.

Analysis: Have made two new cities, near many more resources. Hvae made some money.

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	01-08-2002 01:53									#6
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IRIQUOIS: HIAWATA
Goevrnment: Despotism, treasury 6.
Relations: Annoyed with us, no embassy, will cost 65. RoP with Americans.
Citites: total pop. 11
Salamanca:2,3 Niagara Falls:2,1 Grand Rivers:2,1
Allegheny:1,1 Cattaraugus: 1,1 Oil Springs:1,1 Tonawanda:1,1 Mauch Chunk:1,1
spice wine horse
Relative to us: Weak military, best unit spearman, impressed with our culture, our tech equals.
Distance: C-C:39, B-B:20.
NOte: building Pyramids in Salamanca.

Analysis: definitelly still in REX, very weak on all counts. Have made 5 gold in five turns (1gpt at best then) and have seen minor pop. growth with one new city. Still no access to many resources.

BABYLONIANS: HAMMURABI
Government: Depotism, treasury 0.
Relations: Annoyed with us, no embassy, will cost 59. RoP with Americans.
Citites: total pop. 7.
Babylon 3,3 Ashur:2,1 Nineveh: 1,1 Ur:1,1
Resources: incense, horse
Relative to us: Weak military, best unit Bowman, dismissive of our culture, our tech equals.
Distance: C-C:39, B-B:29.
Notes: Have Orace at babylon.

Analysis: Went for culture before REX, now very small, but have grown with a new city. Did not see incence or horses before. No longer candidate for disappearing first, even if rome has legions.

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	01-08-2002 01:59									#7
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AMERICANS: LINCOLN
Government: depotism, treasury 0.
Relations: annoyed with us, have RoP with everyone except Persia and ourselves.
Citites: Total pop. 3
Boston:2, Chicago:1,1
3 incense incense
Relative to u: Weak military, best unit archers, impressed with our culture, our tech equals.
Distance: C-C:11, B-B:1.

Analysis: Weakest civ now, small and vulnerable, and the Greeks are cutting of the path to the Ivory coast. Prime candidate for first civ to die.

FIN

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	01-08-2002 02:15									#8
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excellent work.

this is a useful way to keep document all the info about our rivals.

	01-08-2002 02:16									#9
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Good job
A little heave to ingest, but a great source of info for those who want complete info on someone or another. I like it !

BTW, when the info is outdated, please keep it somewhere as an archive, in case our historians need a specific info.

	01-08-2002 02:16									#10
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good job.

	01-08-2002 02:24									#11
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Excellent, Mr. GePap.
Are you thinking in some kind of periodicity?

	01-08-2002 02:27									#12
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I would think of editing the posts every so often, as a way of updating without having to write it all over agin every time (it took a while). As for how often, perhaps every 15 turns?.... Updated above, so read that one why dontcha?

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	01-08-2002 02:54									#13
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Gepap : a good plan. When I update my Economy tables, I also use previous data as a basis, to avoid writing everything. But maybe you could do the same than I do, when I archive : before editing the content of the table, I copy it somewhere (like, I copy budget.htm to /archives/-0975budget.htm).
After having copied the old contents, you can now edit to match the new situation as you like it. The copy itself is ca. 30 seconds of work, which is almost nil compared to the effort you've made here

	01-08-2002 03:01									#14
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Yes, please if you do continue to update, follow Spiffors advice adn copy the info to a new thread so we may keep this as an archive.

Oh ya - excelent job.

	01-08-2002 03:25									#15
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Nice work, GePap!
I'm setting up a link to this thread from the Machiavelli Institute; this is exactly the kind of rigorous data we need beneath our strategizing.

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	01-08-2002 05:14									#16
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wow

A LOT of spare time, it seems.

	01-08-2002 06:04									#17
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nice work

note: I hope the French build the pyramids.

	01-08-2002 06:47									#18
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OPD: Yeah, saves us the trouble.

GePap:

*realizes he has only two hands, grows third arm inexplicably*

	01-08-2002 07:05									#19
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GePap, excellent. This should help the ministers, the War Academy, and the Machiavelli Institute improve their plans.

btw, someday we will come to loggerheads with the Greeks as the #1 power. I don't see us being peaceful with them forever. Our expansion plans are cutting them off, I see them becoming belligerent in our future. We should plan a defense against the Greeks for the middle ages, and the industrial. Hopefully, they will no longer be #1 by modern times, we will!

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Personally I see enough of our swordsmen being effective against the hopites for an earlier war.

	01-08-2002 07:23									#21
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Nice thread, GePap.


Too much time? Write an article or two and send them in...

	01-08-2002 07:34									#22
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Building Pyramids: Greece, England, Persia, France, Germany, Aztecs, Russia.
Whoever gets this wonder will be a force to reckon with, particularly if it should be Greece, Persia, or the Aztecs, IMO. We might want to think about targeting whichever civ gets this, as it might tip the scales in that civ's favor, in that part of the continent -- and the longer a civ enjoys this wonder, the more benefit accrues. Particularly if a close neighbor nabs it (Greece, France, or Germany).

	01-08-2002 07:57									#23
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I notice we have no embassy with the French. Perhaps we should establish one before we declare war, in case they're about to complete the pyramids and we should wait. A long shot, I know, but the Pyramids are a good wonder, especially on a Pangea map, which we seem to be.

	01-08-2002 16:55									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Robber Baron Building Pyramids: Greece, England, Persia, France, Germany, Aztecs, Russia. Whoever gets this wonder will be a force to reckon with, particularly if it should be Greece, Persia, or the Aztecs, IMO. We might want to think about targeting whichever civ gets this, as it might tip the scales in that civ's favor, in that part of the continent -- and the longer a civ enjoys this wonder, the more benefit accrues. Particularly if a close neighbor nabs it (Greece, France, or Germany).

Go France!!! Build those Pyramids for us!!!!

	02-08-2002 01:57									#25
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wow, thanks for puttin in the time to do this

	03-08-2002 03:18									#26
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Updated, look at first posts again.

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GePap, you're the man.
If you want to join the Machiavelli Institute, I think we should confer you with the official title of staff analyst. (Just made that up. )