01-08-2002 21:40									#1
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Two questions regarding cultural victory:

1. Has anyone managed the '20,000 culture points in a single city' variant of a cultural victory on Monarch or higher?
   
2. Has anyone witnessed an AI cultural victory (any of the two variants)?

	01-08-2002 22:05									#2
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1. Yes, a long time ago, in my one and only OCC attempt at Monarch.

2. No. The AI gets started on cultural builds late. I suppose it could happen if one AI civ is dominant but lacks the resources for a launch, and the human is not doing well at all. The AI certainly doesn't put all Wonders in the same city.

	01-08-2002 22:44									#3
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... to doing just that.

As alexman points out, you pretty much need an OCC strategy to do it, but the flip side is that cultural victory is a much more viable approach than space ship launch if you truly have only one city. ( I play on emperor)

I have only ever witnessed the AI win one game, and that was by UN election. ( I quit long before it comes to the AI winning )

	01-08-2002 22:45									#4
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1. Yes, when I built all the wonders in my capital.

2. Losing to the AI via cultural victory is just plain embarressing...

	01-08-2002 22:50									#5
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What are the numbers for Cultural Victory on Huge Maps, by the way? Does the single-city number change there?

I just finished a game where France definitely passed 100,000 before I did: they were about 10% bigger than me on the cultural histograph the entire modern era. Got a spaceship launched before they passed whatever the actual threshold for CV on a huge map is, though.

	01-08-2002 23:15									#6
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AFAIK, the single-city number doesn't change with mapsize. As for the 100,000 mark: You also need at least the double amount of culture than any other Civ. I actually managed a cultural victory with about 105,000 points after I had captured a bunch of cities from my main rival.

	02-08-2002 00:26									#7
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Check out Zachriel's Game of the Month #9 (from CFC). Single city culture victory at Emperor (and far from OCC). [EDIT: Zachriel did not sell off culture producing improvements to avoid the 100K win - he simply made sure that his total culture didn't reach 2x another civ's total culture - thus enabling the "more elegant" 20K win (his words, my agreement and respect ).

The game summary (graphical and very entertaining) is HERE.

Catt

Last edited by Catt on 02-08-2002 at 00:37

	02-08-2002 02:29									#8
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Yep, the summary IS entertaining. And 9 great wonders in a single city on Emperor ... I realy should focus more on leader generation in my (Monarch) games ...