02-08-2002 23:08									#1
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Hello
I have never seen a thread for new wonder ideas. I hope to start one.

Beethoven's Ninth Symphony-Should be a great wonder, but it would be stupid for another civ to capture it, so it should be a small wonder. It should increase culture a lot and some happiness. I'm thinking it could be available after Music Theory, but then again it was written in 1827 (should be in the industrial age). I think Music Theory is researched in the medievil ages (I never research it and I forgot).

Stonehenge-Recently, some scientists have said it was built almost 10,000 years ago. Maybe it would have no prerequisite (or one of the techs England starts out with, though I forgot what those were too). It should be a great wonder, though I'll need input on this one.

Sears Tower (maybe not this one)-increases commerce.

Erie Canal-I don't know what could be done for this one. Maybe added ship movement or something.

Please give me suggestions on what you guys think of these wonders, and add some ideas of some more.

Last edited by johncmcleod on 02-08-2002 at 23:42

	02-08-2002 23:53									#2
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Do you want suggestions on Wonders that really can be created with the Editor, or wild ideas for Civ 4?

Here are some realistic suggestions.

Circus Maximus (Construction) - makes 6 people content in that city.
Olympic Games (Nationalism) - doubles effect of Colosseums
Alfred Nobel's Foundation (Refining) - same effect as Great Library
Autobahn (Motorized, Oil, Rubber) - increases commerce, but also pollution

	03-08-2002 00:17									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Optimizer Olympic Games (Nationalism) - doubles effect of Colosseums Alfred Nobel's Foundation (Refining) - same effect as Great Library

Great ideas!

quote: Originally posted by Optimizer Autobahn (Motorized, Oil, Rubber) - increases commerce, but also pollution

Maybe this should be a small wonder.



My Suggestions:
The Eternal City - +4 Happy people, allows city size 3, available with masonry.
During Ancient Times there ought to be the possibility of creating a huge city like Rome with all the consequences there of. (can you image keeping a big city happy in Ancient Times!)

	03-08-2002 02:28									#4
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I mean with the editor, not for civ4. I never have made a wonder, so with each suggestion could you also write how to do it? Oh, and I love the olmypic games idea. I have been trying to think of a way to put the olmpyics or the world cup into the game. I was thinking whoever hosted it would have big happiness bonuses. But I couldn't figure out a way besides a wonder, but I think that's a great idea.

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If Elephants are made a strategic resource, and War Elephants will be available to every civ with Elephants, one could have some animal-based Wonders.

National Zoo (Medicine, Elephants & Horses connected) - science bonus, less pollution (because of environmental awareness)
Tropical National Park (Ecology, Elephants within city radius) - similar bonuses

	04-08-2002 19:16									#6
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod I mean with the editor, not for civ4. I never have made a wonder, so with each suggestion could you also write how to do it?

So far, every wonder suggested is possible with the editor.

	06-08-2002 02:07									#7
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New Suggestion:

The War Cabinet (Steel) - enormous bombardment defense.

	06-08-2002 02:24									#8
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Taj Mahal - similar to Oracle

	10-08-2002 20:44									#9
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I like that Eternal City idea.

	10-08-2002 20:57									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Optimizer I like that Eternal City idea.

Thanks, I just got tired of EVERY city topping off at 12. Rome was far bigger than other cities of fits time, and the Senate had to work at keeping the people happy. You really need a lot of luxuries and a marketplace though.........

AI goes for it also, I usually build it less than 1 out of 15 times I play because the AI beats me to it! Whoever builds it tends to dominate fairly well.

	10-08-2002 22:13									#11
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Maybe it could be a small wonder.

Over all, I would like more wonders to have an effect just to the city. However, the effects must then be strong enough to pay off. Shakespeare's, for instance is a bit too weak.

	10-08-2002 22:30									#12
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Technically, you could give the Palace the same attributes as a hospital and whichever city was your capital would be allowed to grow past 12.

Hmmm. That means when you take someone' s capital it will be stuck at that size(or lower) until you build a hospital, but the enemies new capital will be able to grow over 12. I may try this and see how it works..........

Once, I gave all 7 Ancient Wonders the hospital ability, but once an AI built a wonder, that city tended to have an unfair advantage and built most of the other seven. Usually ended up with 3-4 separate super cities. And they were almost never the capitals.

	10-08-2002 23:14									#13
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Another idea, which I've mentioned several times:

With Monotheism, a strategic resource called Shrine will become visible. This resource can then allow advanced religious buildings.

The Sacred City is a small wonder that can only be built if there is a Shrine in the city radius. The Sacred City gives a great happiness and culture bonus.

	11-08-2002 00:00									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Optimizer Another idea, which I've mentioned several times: With Monotheism, a strategic resource called Shrine will become visible. This resource can then allow advanced religious buildings. The Sacred City is a small wonder that can only be built if there is a Shrine in the city radius. The Sacred City gives a great happiness and culture bonus.

That's a good one. I'm going to use that for my MedievalFantasy mod..........

	11-08-2002 02:51									#15
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Great, GhengisFarb!

I also think that the Hanging Gardens should be removed, since it did not actually exist.

	11-08-2002 06:47									#16
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I have added it to my game. It is a must have.

	12-08-2002 18:36									#17
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In my Latin Mod, I was tinkering with a Vatican City Wonder, but I didn't have the artistic skills to pull it off. But if anyone wants to take a look, here it is:

Name: Vatican City
Cost: 85 Shields
Requirements: 12 Cathedrals and Monotheism
Happy in City: 2
Gain in every City: Cathedral
Improvements: Resist to Propaganda and Reduces Corruption
Can trigger a golden age for Religious civs (not surprising).


So after making 12 cathedrals, you can build this great wonder, and if you can pull it off (85 is a lot for this time period IMHO), you'll be able to get a cathderal in each city.

What does everyone think?

	12-08-2002 19:05									#18
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Not bad Thrawn05

	12-08-2002 19:17									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 So after making 12 cathedrals, you can build this great wonder, and if you can pull it off (85 is a lot for this time period IMHO), you'll be able to get a cathderal in each city.

It would be interesting to test if the Sistine Chapel also doubles the effect of cathedrals that weren't actually built, but provided for free by another wonder.

	12-08-2002 20:09									#20
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Sounds like some great ideas

If you add a wonder/improvement, do you need to have made graphics for it, or can the game "live-without-it"? Since I'm not good at making graphics...

	12-08-2002 20:32									#21
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quote: Originally posted by lockstep It would be interesting to test if the Sistine Chapel also doubles the effect of cathedrals that weren't actually built, but provided for free by another wonder.

It does, I made a wonder called State Church once that gave you a cathedral in every city.

	12-08-2002 20:55									#22
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Wow, it looks like I done good this time.

If anyone wants to do the art and such they have my blessings. Just let me insert it into my Latin Mod when it's done mkay?

	12-08-2002 21:29									#23
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well this idea came up out of no where as I was going through one of the threads here... thanks to ADG for pointing me over here...

I was thinking about a small wonder that let you hold sporting events say every 4-8 years and you got a certain number of gold coins each times the games are held based on the number of civs you are at peace with...

suggestions?

	12-08-2002 21:50									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Lord_Davinator well this idea came up out of no where as I was going through one of the threads here... thanks to ADG for pointing me over here... I was thinking about a small wonder that let you hold sporting events say every 4-8 years and you got a certain number of gold coins each times the games are held based on the number of civs you are at peace with... suggestions?

Hmmm...I believe it should automaticly hold those events (Don't think people wants to be bothered each 4 years to hold a tournament

Maybe it shouldn't just be based on the number of Civs you're at peace with, but also on the number of Civs who has built this minor wonder. The more Civs who you're at peace with and has built it, the more gold you get when holding it...But also, the more Civs that has this wonder (no matter if you're at peace or not), the longer time it takes for it to be "you-turn" to hold it. This means, that it goes on shift, to hold these games. If everybody is at war with a Civ, with this wonder, then the other Civs just skip him...

	12-08-2002 22:08									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Lord_Davinator well this idea came up out of no where as I was going through one of the threads here... thanks to ADG for pointing me over here... I was thinking about a small wonder that let you hold sporting events say every 4-8 years and you got a certain number of gold coins each times the games are held based on the number of civs you are at peace with... suggestions?

Cool, an Olympic wonder... I like it.

Since Civ3's lucky number seems to be 20, how about this wonder trigger every 20 turns?

	12-08-2002 23:24									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Thrawn05 Cool, an Olympic wonder... I like it. Since Civ3's lucky number seems to be 20, how about this wonder trigger every 20 turns?

Or every 4 turns and always happens in on of the Top 5 cities. Rotating around the world.

	13-08-2002 00:36									#27
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Or every 4 turns and always happens in on of the Top 5 cities. Rotating around the world.

Well if it's going to be only 4 turns, then the benfits should be less, say, 1% extra gold from the total amount that you would normaly get.

The reason I suggested 20, is that you could have a large benefit, such as 5% like Wall Street or even 10%.

I'm just trying to make the game balanced.

	13-08-2002 01:19									#28
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I was going to start a thread on Wonder ideas, but you guys beat me to it.


Here are some of my ideas:

Magellan's Voyage: keep its original bonus, but add that it gives a Harbor in all of your cities

Copernicu's Observatory: keep its original bonus, but add that it gives a Library in all of your cities

SETI: keep its original bonus, but add that it gives a University in all cities on only that continent which SETI is built

Cure for Cancer: keep its original bonus, but add that it gives a Hospital in all cities on only that continent which Cure for Cancer is built


And I am adding a new Great Wonder and test it to see how this affects game play for the single player:

Magna Charter: requires the Republic advance, and gives a Courthouse in all of your cities; never becomes obsolete, and gives 4 culture points for the city in which it is built; can trigger Golden Age for commercial or expansionist civilization that builds it; shield cost to build is 60

Unfortunately, I do not have a graphic for this new wonder, and I have never tried making new graphics for my ideas yet.


But I have a question; the bonus that I added to the original Great Wonders -- will this make them too powerful and create a severe imbalance in the game??

	13-08-2002 01:55									#29
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With the SETI and Copernicu's Observatory Wonders your changes sound unbalancing. Megellan's Voyage also sounds like it might mess things up. If you do this I recomend you up the cost or make new wonders to give the libraries, harbors, and universities. The Magna Carta is a fine idea but I would make it 2-3 culture points and up the cost to build it.

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I agree that wonders that give a building in each city can get too powerful.