02-08-2002 23:47									#1
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My vote is for Homeworld. That last mission is horrid. Still haven't beaten it in fact.

	03-08-2002 00:28									#2
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Tho it's a weenie game, my mom was a Tetris addict. In her prime she could always roll up ridiculously high scores, hundreds of levels into the game. I could hardly even identify the shape of the piece falling, and she'd scoot it into place.

	03-08-2002 00:33									#3
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The Bouncer on PS2 is currently giving me some hang-ups... with as lousy of a level-up system as it has, when you get later into the game you just can't cut it. Still waiting to probably just get a gameshark and beat the thing... the main reason I got it was for the multiplayer battle mode.

	03-08-2002 00:56									#4
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Nothing has ever been as hard as Bard's tale 3 last dungeon. I had the clue/cheat/help book in my hand and could not do it in ten attempts before I just gave up!
No light (can't see...black screen)
No compass (where am I going [and why am I in this handbasket])
Walk through a maze filled with spin and teleport squares in the right sequence to pass (this will make the game real fun...whatever!).

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	03-08-2002 01:18									#5
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Serious Sam on Serious in particular the Dunes. I didn't make any further than that on serious I'm sure there were some older games which were really hard but I can't remember them at the moment.

	03-08-2002 07:41									#6
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I found WarCraft II very hard, until I mastered it. I've gotta say that Donkey Kong 64 is still harder, though.

	03-08-2002 07:55									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. President I found WarCraft II very hard, until I mastered it. I've gotta say that Donkey Kong 64 is still harder, though.

Agreed. I know only one person that beat the first level. From what she told me, it isn't that hard it is just impossible to figure out where you need to go. But I lost patience after about an hour of walking around the same places over and over again.

	03-08-2002 08:08									#8
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Thief is difficult. Even at the end, one mistake could cost you your life. Playing each level without saving makes it almost impossible.

	03-08-2002 08:48									#9
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What's this, a contest of masochistic tendencies?

"Oo, oo, this hurts bad."
"No, no, this is worse."

	03-08-2002 13:32									#10
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1942... even when I was good at it, I could make it through at most half of the game.

	03-08-2002 13:54									#11
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I remember that some Commandos missions where really hard, I beat them all though and the last mission was actually quite easy.

	03-08-2002 14:24									#12
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There was also this one red alert mission, that my friend and I spent 2 hours defeating the allies in, then another 2 hours searching for camo. pillboxes that were so expertly hidden. That's the thing that pissed me off about red alert. You didn't win until you killed everything, even if the opponent had NO chance whatsoever.

Reminds me of this 8 player game we played. The rules were: winner is person with most kills among those who survive. One guy went out and killed a lot of people. I took it easy, then sent my MiGs to rain death on the survivors. I quickly mopped up everyone including this guy, but I'd missed his subpen long enough for him to build 3 subs. I couldn't find them before time was called, and he was declared winner by kill count Even though I had a base and an army, an airforce, and a navy, and he had 3 subs.

	03-08-2002 23:00									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis 1942... even when I was good at it, I could make it through at most half of the game.

What's this? The arcane game where your lone plane takes on the entire IJN?

Or is that 1943?

	03-08-2002 23:03									#14
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Commandos 2 is one of the more challanging games I've ever played.

	04-08-2002 00:15									#15
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IJN?

	04-08-2002 06:30									#16
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I'm guessing but...
Imperial Japanese Navy ?
I could never master defender despite spending most Saturdays of my teenage years trying to. Centipede i mastered but it was Defender that attracted all the attention.

	04-08-2002 06:43									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tis I My vote is for Homeworld. That last mission is horrid. Still haven't beaten it in fact.

I agree. And I had almost one hundred Ion Cannon Frigates salvaged from the Bridge of Lost Souls (Before the big bad meteor mission). They just didn't make it in time to rescue the Mothership from the three four Heavy Cruiser flights coming in.
The only friggin' game I own I haven't completed. And it's a very good game too, except for that last ****ing mission.

	04-08-2002 21:32									#18
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quote: My vote is for Homeworld. That last mission is horrid. Still haven't beaten it in fact.

I've done it! Can't remember how though.

	04-08-2002 23:17									#19
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X-COM3 had a horrid learning curve, even though it was a great game. I had to start again 3 or 4 times (and it was a long campaign) to beat the game.

Jagged Alliance 2 was also close to impossible at the end; I never did finish the last mission.

	05-08-2002 02:01									#20
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A friend of mine who finished Homeworld told me that you just had to salvage all you could. But, I mean, I had one hundred ICFs!

Oh, X-COM 2 was also horrific. Terror missions started coming in before you got Gauss guns. Ammo ran out
quickly, and those three-stage ship purging missions were hell. One time I had to clean up the bottom deck with three guys, one with a Gauss Pistol with a f ew rounds, one with nothing but a couple of Sonic grenades, one with a Dart Rifle. And they couldn't use Sonic Blasters or Rifles, just Pistols.

	05-08-2002 03:18									#21
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Try using minefields for the fleets which come straight at you, and disrupting the fleet which comes from above with whatever fighters you have lying around.

Also, don't bother using formations for your capital ships, they stick together closely when you give them orders.

	05-08-2002 03:37									#22
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Minefields? That's new. I never bothered with mines... now if only I hadn't uninstalled the game...

	05-08-2002 07:25									#23
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Thief had some pretty difficult missions, but I'd say that the toughest mission ever is the final mission in Raid Over Moscow. In the countless times we played the game, my brother and I managed to beat the last level one time on the easiest difficulty, and even then we died in the ensuing nuclear blast. (The mission is that you're supposed to destroy a robot in charge of cooling the nuclear reactor in Moscow so that the city will go nuclear. If you sufficiently damage the robot then the city will go nuclear, but you can't actually leave until you destroy the robot, hence the possibility of fulfilling your mission objectives while still dying).

	05-08-2002 08:11									#24
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Myth I. Beat it at the hardest difficulty.

	05-08-2002 13:31									#25
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Monkey Island 2 had a pretty hard ending, too, I did not particularly like it since you had to react fast and Le Chuck would always arrive so fast.

Its one reason why I prefer part 1 and 3.

	05-08-2002 15:53									#26
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Serious Sam - the level where you are in a long alley (street?). You initially have to jump over a spiked pit, you then get the bulls running at you followed by hundreds of those skeleton type things and then god knows what else around the last corner. Serious save and load territory.

	05-08-2002 16:14									#27
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quote: Originally posted by RPMisCOOL Nothing has ever been as hard as Bard's tale 3 last dungeon. I had the clue/cheat/help book in my hand and could not do it in ten attempts before I just gave up! No light (can't see...black screen) No compass (where am I going [and why am I in this handbasket]) Walk through a maze filled with spin and teleport squares in the right sequence to pass (this will make the game real fun...whatever!). R:PM

Good gosh, sounds like a place for a lot of SCSI spells. unless they were no magic areas, too? of course, it will always spin you again if you're standing on a spin square and you cast SCSI - AFTER the spell gives you orientation....

	05-08-2002 16:19									#28
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quote: Originally posted by chronocrator Monkey Island 2 had a pretty hard ending, too, I did not particularly like it since you had to react fast and Le Chuck would always arrive so fast. Its one reason why I prefer part 1 and 3.

That part was pretty bad, but I think the spitting cotest was worse. I mean, I had the walkthrough, did everything right, and still missed it about 25 times before finally getting it.

I mean, LeChuck keeping torturing you to death was annoying, but grabbing his underwear and getting his beard were easier than the spitting contest.

	05-08-2002 16:23									#29
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My vote goes for the last mission in Star Trek 25th Anniversary. the part where you have to defeat an evil duplicate Enterprise twice as strong and fast as yours.

Never beaten it.
Don't know anyone who ever did.
Never heard of anyone who ever did, cheats or not.
and it's a freaking adventure game for goodness' sake!

	05-08-2002 16:23									#30
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Ah, Monkey island, what a classic series.

The thought of trapping Stan in the coffin still brings a smile to my face.