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Do you agree with the suggested plan ?
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YES, I support the plan as written 29 78.38%
YES, I suport the plan, but am against selling Literature and Polytheism 7 18.92%
NO, I want the plan to be held differently (please explain) 1 2.70%
NO, I am against this whole tech-acquiring project 0 0%
Total: 37 voters 100%
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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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OFFICIAL : tech acquisition project Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Here is a tech-acquisition project for the year 750 B.C

The project says :
- buy Currency from the French for 278 gold + territory map
- sell Currency to the English for Construction + WM
- sell Construction to the Greeks for 174 gold + WM
- sell Literature to Germany for 31 gold + WM
- sell Polytheism to Russia for 17 gold + WM

Estimated treasury after the complete plan : 443 gold
Estimated treasury if we don't sell Literature and Polytheism : 395 gold

Question is : Do you agree with the suggested plan ?

Answers :
- YES, I support the plan as written
- YES, I suport the plan, but am against selling Literature and Polytheism
- NO, I want the plan to be held differently (please explain)
- NO, I am against this whole tech-acquiring project

This poll will follow the grouping procedure : the option which got the most votes within the majority group wins.

This poll will close in 3 days.

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do it pimp daddy.

note:
currently have 499 gp
making 19gpt (although 2 of our core cities are 1 pop after settler builds and will grow soon.)

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I don't see why this is polled. Looks good to me.

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As the Minister of Science I find "YES, I support the plan as written" the best. We should sell techs. If not, they'll probably aquire them pretty soon anyway.

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A quick way to get to the Middle Ages, and a faster route to knights? By all means, execute this plan.

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Got spare money?

you gotta realise tho, that even tho we are getting ourselves closer to Pikemen and Knights, France will be getting there soon enough as the AI trades around.

War wont be easier.

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France is medieval already. I doubt anybody will discover feudalism within the next 10 turns : the AI needed 26 turns to discover currency.

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am i to understand civs like Greece (scientific ones) got Monotheism instead of Fuedalism?

we wouldnt know, but is it the way its coded?

cuz.. if Greece got Fuedalism, theres a VERY good chance France has it.

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AFAIK, scientific civs always free-discover monotheism and nationalism. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I didn't play scientific for a long time.

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well, my experiance is mixed. in most of my games, Greece reaches mid-evil era quickest, and usually get Monotheism

but i think i remember Germany getting their first once and getting fuedalism.

But in any case, i think we should heavily ponder the possibility of Pikemen in Paris.

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hi ,

second option

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Shiber is offline Shiber
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quote:
Originally posted by Spiffor
AFAIK, scientific civs always free-discover monotheism and nationalism. Now, maybe I'm wrong, I didn't play scientific for a long time.


I free-discovered feudalism with France twice.

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Now wait a second, I am thoroughly confused. There's a poll that has started a discussion on clarifying what is meant by not playing ahead. In it, it is proposed that we should allow "playing ahead", at least as far as checking out what other civs will pay for techs etc. But this is what I thought the bulk of the FAM's job was, and my thought seems to be confirmed here. So, is this considered bad form or WHAT??!? The first post was from skywalker, and the idea that this is NOT allowed is followed up by UnOrthO and NYE, which gives me much pause for thought on what actually happens.

Look at this:

quote:
Originally posted by skywalker
For the purpose of determining trades, we let people (we may limit this to certain ministers) "play ahead". There would be special conditions on this: you could NOT end turn, move units, or do trades involving maps or communications.


This suggests to me that this sort of thing HASN'T been allowed until now, not even to the FAM. It is possible skywalker was confused, but then;

quote:
Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Don't like it.

Any form of playing ahead is cheating IMO. What if they discovered a trade that is widely approved would not work? Saving us loads of cash in the process. That = unfair advanage = cheating.


and

quote:
Originally posted by notyoueither
Not a good idea.

The benefit of tech whoring is what can be gained. Massive sometimes.

The risk is that you will not get what you want and your opponents will be stronger.

It is a game. It must have risk, otherwise why don't we use reload cheating to avoid unfavourable results when we attack?


Now one person I could understand being confused, but all three? And no-one correcting them? What is going on here? Is the FAM allowed to check to see what trades Civs are willing to make or not? And if not, WTF did those specific prices at the top of this thread come from?


How did someone manage to confuse only me this much?!?!

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I'm pretty sure Spiffor listed those prices in another thread and said they were estimates, thus implying that he didn't know for sure.

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Yea, Spiffor's guessing, but everyone likes his guesses, so... . We may end up spending more money then this to get what we want... on the other hand, we may be able to spend less, and gain more, so . There's a degree of risk, but that's what the game's about.
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How could you free-discover something with France? They're not Scientific!

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Oh, and the poll option is YES (see sig)

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quote:
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How could you free-discover something with France? They're not Scientific!


You're right, I meant to write Greece. My mind must have slipped.

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Is it just me or does the trade advisor say not likely to the first part of the plan? (buying currency from france)
In fact when I ask the French what they would charge for currency they suggest all my money, some gpt and a WM.

Please tell me there's something wrong with my game.

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I am not currently in the position to check, but I'm sure those #'s for prices are equal to the amounts of money those civs have. Gee people sure like accusing on a whim.

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The plan doesn't work. Period.
The trade advisor says it's unlikely that the Persians will part from Currency for 312g and a TM. When asked what they would like for Currency, the Persians ask for all our money (499g), some gpt and and our WM. Now I know the AIs will usually settle for less, but all our money and gpt? No, impossible. The price is waaaay too high, plus it would drain our treasury and we won't be able to upgrade as many warriors as we want when we get the iron.
Can anyone else confirm this?

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Shiber, after the 1.29 patch, the AI considers tech worth much more money. If you have the patch installed, then you wont be able to follow along our turns until we move up to it.

If you ARE using 1.21, then I don't know why there is a difference.

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We aren't buying from the Persians. Read the plan!

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Really, we aren't?
I remember reading a thread about patching up a while back when I was still a lurker. I thought we moved up eventually. I also thought that loading a game saved by someone who has a different version of the game than yours is impossible.
I guess I learned two new things today.

Anyway I'm glad to hear that I'm wrong! Two techs for the price of 104 gold (or 56 if you count the money we'll get from selling our other techs) is a great bargain.
Btw, I meant to write French, it just came out Persians. See my previous post, it says French.
Doesn't matter though, they're both asking for the same amount of money in my version.

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Is there any way of returning to version 1.21?
I know it's not possible in the conventional way (through a patch), but I was hoping someone can point me out to a website which has the original game files and old patches. Or maybe one of you can send me his gamefiles, if you know which ones are altered by the patch.

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Shiber - backup your saves, uninstall Civ3, reinstall Civ3, load patch 1.21.

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Run the 1.29 patch. It will run uninstall. Run the 1.21 patch. It will run uninstall. Run it a second time, it will install.


1.21 patch will reinstall right away if you uninstalled it before installing 1.29

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quote:
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The plan doesn't work. Period.
The trade advisor says it's unlikely that the Persians will part from Currency for 312g and a TM. When asked what they would like for Currency, the Persians ask for all our money (499g), some gpt and and our WM. Now I know the AIs will usually settle for less, but all our money and gpt? No, impossible. The price is waaaay too high, plus it would drain our treasury and we won't be able to upgrade as many warriors as we want when we get the iron.
Can anyone else confirm this?


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nope , other outcome , ....

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Thanks, that's what I was hoping to hear.

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This is good, for a moment I thought we were going to completely screw everything up.

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hi ,

we should be sure 100% , .....

anyone else , ....

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