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you lost me there seneca...
apart form the obvious that is
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by MrFun
Are you losing some more of your innocence, Sagacious? 
Anyway, in my opinion, this concept called gaydar is hard to describe in neat, arbitrary terms.
People argue if it is really a legitimate social concept, and then there are others who argue HOW gaydar works, among those that agree it exists.
Does your gaydar help you determine another person's sexual orientation by behavior, clothes, and/or physical appearance??
I tend to believe that for the most part, gaydar relies on behavior and clothes and not physical appearance. There are many straight men who have similar or the same hair styles that gay men have, for instance.
A lot of straight men also have high cheekbones, so that is out too, in my opinion.
And there are gays who will hit on you, while not sure if you are gay or not -- they tend to find out AFTER they take an interesting look at you.
By the way, Starchild is going to spank you with his fairy rod for not including his name in the title. 
And what about Asher?  |
Oooh! What does this button do?
Gay men sure are shallow. 
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by faded glory
Oh and no offense of course. I can also spot a jew any time. There mannerism's give them away. (*cough/ they usually have big noses and dry sandpaper-skin too*cough)
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You don't get around much do you? I worked in a furniture store for years. None of the Jews working there had large noses. One looked Irish except for his hair which was a bit kinky. In fact his father was part of the Chicago Irish politcal machine and when his father died the other guys came expecting a wake and were surprised there was no corpse. First clue they had that he was Jewish.
Take a look at Kirk Douglas sometime and tell me he looks Jewish. He looks as goyisher as I do.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Seneca
Are there non-gay-walking classes you can go to? |
Walk faster. If nothing else than no one will be able to catch up to you.
Men never hit on me. Then again neither do women. Not even when I was younger. Maybe I just don't notice. Mabe those two girls that were making fun of my fast walking in Junior High School were really trying to get my attention.
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Ethelred
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Originally posted by Frogger
I can't tell when somebody's a Jew at all. |
It depends. Arabs look just like the stereotype of a Jew but they mostly have accents that give it away. I can tell if they are from New York but thats just the accent.
My mother looked pretty Jewish but it was just that for some reason her father's side of the family has an unusually large noise for Norwegians and Germans. Well the nose plus her occasional use of a fake Jewish accent.
Jews that like me think I am Jewish. Protestants that don't like me think I am Jewish. All the Catholics know better. Why is beyond me as I haven't been Catholic for a very long time now.
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Screw you guys, I'm going home.
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by paiktis22
btw gays are not allowed in the army. how that one got in, beats me. propably as not to get the "embarassing" card of dismissal. |
hell, saying gays aren't allowed in the army never stopped anyone. I don't know of any males who had admitted to me that they were gay (I prudent move, although I heard enough of stories of gays in the army I didn't know anyone personally), I do however know at least two lesbians in the army, and of one of them I'm one of the few people who know she has a girlfriend. Which is funny because I do hang out with her quite a bit and everyone always asks why I haven't banged her, and of course I can't say because she's a lesbian and has a girlfriend because I promised her I wouldn't say anything.
I've also heard a statistic recently that they are more gays in the army then there are in the navy, although I don't know why.
Smoking weed also isn't allowed in the Army, but that hasn't stopped me from toking whenever possible despite the piss tests regularly given (I took one four days after smoking, and another five days after toking, passing both). Anyway, the point is it's actually pretty easy to slip through the system if your even slightly motivated to do so.
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my point was why would he WANT to go to the army.
because if he just said he was gay he wouldn't have to go.
and I answered it too: propably because he didnt want to get the embarassing card of dismissal.
(In Greece military service is obligatory unless you're psychologically unfit or seriously physically unfit or gay. if you get dismissed and you dont serve it means you are one of those 3 things - or at least that the army qualified you as such) exceptions: being the member of a family which has lots of sons (dont remember how many) or having a seriously dehabilited person of your family which is supported only by you etc.
Last edited by Bereta_Eder on 04-08-2002 at 12:37
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In any case, Greece is developing an 100% professional army and due to the fact that machines can kill many more people than a soldier, obligatory military service will be canceled within the next few years. (and will be on a voluntery basis). It would have happened sooner but we have a small population in comparison with the "danger from the east" (where it will strangely enough remain obligatory).
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:21
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I'm sure "gaydar" (I prefer "G-Scope") uses lots of cues, many subliminal. I'm certain the most powerful is the eyes, especially eye contact. For instance, I've noticed that my eye contact with other gay guys is usually a split second longer than that with straight guys.
Humans and other animals seem hardwired to detect very subtle cues from reading each other's eyes. For example, have you ever noticed how easy it is to detect someone looking directly at you, even in a crowd, even at quite a distance, regardless of whether their head is turned towards you?
Re: gaydar criteria, walking style seems pretty low on the list for me. Most gay guys walk like most other guys.
Gaydar can get messed up when you cross cultural lines. The criteria shifts. I have a heckuva time here in China, where people tend to look at me a lot more. I can make extended eye contact with a handsome guy on the subway, nod at him, get a big smile in return, move closer, exchange some friendly chat, maybe he will ask me for my phone number. Then he will start talking about his wife.  Turns out he was just another friendly, straight Chinese guy. Shanghainese are often very friendly towards white foreigners.
Also, straight guys have a lot more physical contact here, so if you see two guys holding hands in public, or hanging around each other's necks, it probably means they are just good friends. Actually, it's quite nice to see, it's too bad American guys have so little physical contact with their friends - seems unnatural.
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Ethelred
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Englishman and an Australian. |
Australian is pretty much all the same. I can tell an Ausie with high degree of accuracy IF they haven't ditched their accents which is popular for them when they move to the US. Brits however are highly variable and some come close to Ausie occasionally. Ausies have the vowels shifted pretty strongly but at least they don't shift from person to person. I sound for A for instance. Hard R's as well, even harder than here in America. Hard Rs are rare for Brits. I haven't heard enough New Zealanders though to tell them from Ausies and it annoys the New Zealanders to be mistaken for Ausies.
British South Africans have British style accents but its like a characature its so much stonger than most Brits. I have met a couple Black South Africans but the guy was a profressor at Cal State Long Beach so he had little accent from staying here so long and his son spoke American. Don't know about the Boers.
Lots of Americans aren't very good at hearing accents. This may be because they don't change much over large areas and people mostly come into contact with Standard American like you hear on TV. I developed a knack because I really liked impresionists when I was kid and I imitated them. My brother's French (what little he knows) sounds American to me. He can't do it. Can't sing either. I think its related.
Canadians are hard to tell from Americans unless the American has a regional accent like Southern or one of the New York Accents. I did work with a guy from New Jersey who sounded British of all things. Said he had never been there. Definitly not the New Wark toid and toidy stweet accent. British Columbians sound almost exactly like Southern Californians except those Californians with affected accents like surfers and Val girls that mostly are used by teenagers and not by adults.
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Ethelred
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I don't think I have heard that one very often. Never been to England so I only hear the people that come hear and on the Telly.
Sounds like you must enunciate more with the back of your tongue instead of the front like Brits do for movies and TV. Where and how you place your tongue and the shape of the back of the mouth and throat are main items in English accents, this even effects the rhythm of speech as it will slow down when the back of the tongue is doing more of the work possibly because of the greater mass and thickness involved.
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Ethelred
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I have heard that accent reffered to as Mid-Atlantic. It is easier for an American to make out without a lot of experience.
I haven't seen any of Hugh Grants films so I can't comment on his accent.
It took me a while to be hear all the details of Monty Python. Especially since the first time I heard them was on a record that was never released in the US. Live at Drewry Lane. My brother won it in a writing contest in a diplomacy game 'zine. I do mean record and not CD. Vinyl and all. No CDs existed then. Its easier to make out words when there are visuals.
First time I saw them on TV I turned it off. ABC had edited sketches together for late night and most of what they showed were pepper pot women sketches. Got annoying real fast all on its own. Python just didn't work that way because they linked instead of ending sketches with punch lines. It has to be seen as a full episode not in unrelated bits and pieces.
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Boris Godunov
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Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Asher
A better question is why anyone would want to join the army when you're not at war.  |
Um, hello, that's the best time to be in the army. Nobody shooting at you, and all that...
Gaydar: Mine runs about 65%, I'd say. Certainly the flamboyant gays are easy to spot, and beyond that there are the typical ways of dressing and style, although that's becoming muddled due to you heteros stealing our good fashion sense. 
I think mindseye is right with the eye contact scenario. A heterosexual will not make much eye contact, particularly if he is being scoped by a guy. If there's more eye contact, you can tell something is up.
I think fg's post was just him being very facetious. At least, I hope so... 
Another thing to consider is that, in ages past, gays didn't have any other way of identifying each other except through dress and mannerisms. It became a calling card. Now that times have thankfully changed and gays can be out and "normal" acting at the same time, it's becoming harder to identify gays, since so many are just normal guys.
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