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AdamTG02
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Williamsburg, Virginia
Aug 2002
time: 00:21
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(Evening. A large ampitheater. A man steps to the podium and speaks.)
I speak to you at a time of great potential. We have only recently landed on this new world, but already a vast unmapped frontier beckons us onward.
(The speaker gestures to the space behind him, and a huge image appears. It depicts the known continents of Alpha Centauri, but only a fraction of it is in color -- that within the radius of the base where the man speaks. The rest is black and grey, showing oceans and continents photographed from orbit, but as of yet unexplored. After a pause, the man continues.)
This frontier challenges us! It calls for us to undertake what is the greatest project any human being ever undertook -- the exploration and colonization of an entire world.
In the days ahead, our society will need direction. There will be those who favor keeping to our boundaries and living our lives in simplicity. There will be those who favor working diligently to reconstruct our industrial capacity, our economy, and our society. I say that both of these approaches are shortsighted. They lose sight of the incredible vastness that surrounds us.
Explore! This is what the vastness calls to us to do. This is the challenge which, if we are courageous enough to undertake it, will lead us to greatness. A world lies before us, unmapped and untouched. We can stay safe in our shell, under this dome of breathable air, or we can move outward and onward to discover new lands!
Discover! The very frontier which awaits us promises new possibilities. As we discover the supply and data pods scattered throughout this world, we will recover the knowledge which our forefathers on Earth used to maintain a society richer in information than any ever known before. And this is only the beginning. As we expand, we will grow both in our population and in our knowlege. And each new discovery will bring us one step closer to building a society more amazing than even our forefathers dreamt of.
Build! I do not speak of remaining in our shells and improving what we have here, but expanding, making new bases, new cities, coming to understand new secrets and using the technology born of those secrets to revolutionize our world. This will be our gift to our children, our conquest under these new stars.
Conquer! We will conquer the frontiers of ignorance, of misunderstanding and of hate. And we will take our knowledge to the others who have landed under these new stars, and we shall learn from them and they shall learn from us. Through this, we shall build friendship. But if despite all our efforts our fellow factions should be hostile, we will be ideally prepared for them, because we will have knowledge, and knowledge will prepare our defense.
In all things, I say our policy should be taken from these two words: Explore. Discover. Do that, and all the rest will follow. This is my belief, and I know there are those among you who agree. We must make our voices known, we must unite our efforts toward this great goal. I propose the creation of the Exploration and Discovery Party! United, we cannot fail.
Now, I am open to questions.
(edited for typographical errors)
Last edited by AdamTG02 on 11-08-2002 at 05:39
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AdamTG02
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Williamsburg, Virginia
Aug 2002
time: 00:21
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(A reporter in the back row, very likely a plant, raises his hand.)
"We have already heard from a party that seeks research above all other things. How does your party distinguish itself from the PPPP?"
(The man at the podium speaks.)
I feel that there is a very significant difference between our party and the PPPP. We agree in many ways -- both of us see research as paramount. But the PPPP's priorities might be summed up in the words, Discover, Build. In other words, before we explore the vast frontier ahead of us, we should build up our economy, accumulate and equitably distribute wealth, and ensure the happiness of every citizen.
While we don't deny that these are worthy goals, the EDP believes that these goals will be best met by expansion, exploration, and colonization. The data pods from the Unity, if we can find them, will provide invaluable knowledge. And if we contact another faction, they will almost certainly be in possession of several pieces of the puzzle which we have not yet found, which we can acquire by trade. Finally, if we expand as much as possible as early as we can, we increase the size and geographical scope of the economy, and our eventual wealth is greatly increased. So I would argue that we seek many of the same goals as the PPPP, but our foremost goal -- exploration -- is not one which they have addressed.
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Emvepe
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Explor Discover Party perhaps???
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Main_Brain
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Economic World Center
Jul 2002
time: 06:21
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Discover and Explore??
bah!
Industry and Expand I say! Pandemoniak for President!
Horray!
Worker Class Power!
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AdamTG02
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Williamsburg, Virginia
Aug 2002
time: 00:21
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I respectfully disagree.
The EDP values the pursuit of curiosity, the relentless search for knowledge. For knowledge to be analyzed and judged rationally to determine truth, the mind must be free to believe as it chooses.
You name yourself fundamentalist, Crisler, and fundamentalist governments from the ancient valley of Egypt to the Christian States of America of the 21st century have banned the free judgement of ideas in the name of loyalty and social stability. More than banning freedom of speech, the regimes that call themselves "fundamentalist" have attempted to ban the most fundamental of ights -- the right to think as one chooses, to follow ones own conscience regardless of dogma.
You have proven yourself a moderate by your statements, Crisler, and I respect your judgement. But I do not respect the philosophy which bears the name "fundamentalism," and I see elements of that philosophy in your party, however moderate you personally may be.
My views do not speak for the EDP, of course. I have organized the party, but each member is free to act as his or her conscience dictates. If a majority of the party wishes to form a coalition, I will concur. Furthermore, my mind is not closed; I may not now judge your party rightly, and you are welcome to attempt to persuade me.
Persuade a majority of the party, and we will agree to your alliance. Speaking only for myself, I do not think that it would be warranted to make a formal coalition. But I am certainly willing to cooprate in the future on those issues where we do agree.
Though I might have a different opinion, I respect your motives and your integrity. Best wishes to you.
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jdd2007
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Cincinnati
Aug 2001
time: 00:21
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*After a speech AdamTG02 steps off the stage. *
*Two men in suits, with briefcases, appear. They nod toward a hover-car. *
Lets talk...
I represent the Hawk Party. This my secre... i mean PR manager. We are a growing party with views similar to yours. I think it would be in the best interests of both parties to work together. Not a merge, but a partnership. You can join ACE if you want, but that is up to you. Something like, we support your candidates, and you support ours. If we dont run in the same election, of course. This would be beneficial for our members, both parties, the candidates, and our country. What do you say?
*The car stops. AdamTG02 gets out and takes a bussiness card.*
I will think about it, but no guarantees.
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FlameFlash
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Minnesota, USA
Dec 2001
time: 23:21
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ugh...
Hopefully, at this time, AdamTG02 will agree with my statement that says that there isn't much in the Hawk party that our stance agrees with.
Military? Enough to explore and defend ourselves, nothing excessive or world-dominating.
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Our Manifesto:
Conquer! We will conquer the frontiers of ignorance, of misunderstanding and of hate. And we will take our knowledge to the others who have landed under these new stars, and we shall learn from them and they shall learn from us. Through this, we shall build friendship. But if despite all our efforts our fellow factions should be hostile, we will be ideally prepared for them, because we will have knowledge, and knowledge will prepare our defense. |
Just going out and conquering for the mere want to conquer isn't what we want. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I read in the Hawk thread it looks like that's what you're going for.
Adam, I take it to mean we're looking more for a diplomatic or trancendence victory, maybe even economic?
We ought to define what winning conditions our party will want to pursue.
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AdamTG02
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Williamsburg, Virginia
Aug 2002
time: 00:21
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I'd like to agree with FlameFlash's statements in support of our manifesto. As I envision the EDP, we support a respectable force for exploration, but oppose expansion through conquest. Putting a new base on the border to get that tempting energy resource, yes. Preemptively attacking to gain new territory, no. My experience playing SMAC, particularly on the higher difficulty levels, tells me we will have war whather we like it or not. We might as well not go around creating wars.
My opinion is that making a reasonably well-trained but minimally equipped force for exploration (i.e. Veteran scout patrols) is preferable to maintaining a massive military force, because it frees up industrial capacity for base facilities like network nodes. Personally, I support building 2 units per base (more on higher SUPPORT levels), but no more than that. That gives each base a defender and an explorer or terraformer, and the mineral cost under Democracy is negligible.
There's room for other beliefs under the EDP banner, of course -- I can definitely see members of our party championing a large exploratory force. But maintaining a large military force for conquest is not in my mind consistent with the philosophy of the EDP. That's turning away from the challenge of the unknown and turning on our fellow discoverers.
To defend ourself when we are attacked without motive r given ultimatums is reasonable. In my mind, attacking preemptively and arming oneself preemptively is not.
Feel free to argue and/or disagree, and best wishes.
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AdamTG02
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Williamsburg, Virginia
Aug 2002
time: 00:21
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I'm going over some of the earlier posts...
FlameFlash, I consider Transcend the most attractive victory for the EDP, and consistent with our philosophy (since it is to some degree discovery through research). Diplomatic is fine. Economic for everyone except Morganites usually involvs heavy diversion of funds away from research, and I would't be too keen on that.
Conquest is in my mind inconsistent with the ideals of the EDP -- other factions are valuable allies to trade techs with, not enemies. Also, conquest involves diversion of one's focus from the unexplored fronteir to the border of settled territories. In the unlikely event that we're hemmed in (unlikely because huge maps are leading in the poll), I would support pacting with a neighbor rather than declaring Vendetta on that neighbor.
There's certainly room for more militaristic views within the EDP, but in the main I think we favor exploration rather than conquest.
In reply to Crisler, I maintain that our parties have several differing ideals. You want to know, can we work together despite our differences, in some form of coalition?
I'm not sure exactly what you are proposing as far as a coalition goes. Agreement not to run against one another? Agreement to support one another's candidates? Personally, I think our differing ideals are such that the above wouldn't be possible. However, if coalition mean that we work together to mobilie voter support in the areas we do agree -- exploration and expansion -- than I am for it.
These are the areas where I see that we agree: We both want intensive early exploration and colonization. We both favor peaceful expansion in preference to war. We may agree on the subject of atrocities -- the Fundamentalist Party opposes them, as do I personally, but the EDP has yet to take a formal position on the issue.
As an aside, do the members think we should take a formal stand against atrocities?
Where we disagree with the Fundamentalists: Social engineering, obviously. We favor Democracy and, even without Democracy, oppose the Fundamentalist SE. The Fundamentalist party favors the Fundamentalist SE and, while Crisler is willing to negotiate on this, another member of that party has denounced all Democracy as corrupt. I also feel that the EDP favors a more permissive and encouraging attitude toward research than does the Fundamentalist Party.
Do these disagreements leave room to work together? On the one hand, they seem formidable. On the other hand, the Da Vinci Development Party, probably even more research-oriented than we are, was considering a coalition with the Fundamentalists at one time.
Members, feel free to post your thoughts.
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