07-08-2002 12:24									#61
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jdd2007's got that bananna of his up where the sun don't shine if he thinks I'm going to join a warmongering faction like the hawks.

P4, here I am.

	07-08-2002 15:52									#62
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Hurray!

I welcome you eartharchaic... err... whatever.

Any suggestions for our party policy? Do you want to run for a directorate?

Btw guys, if I understand the concept of runner-up correctly, that's just like in the US where the president candidate chooses his vice-president, and you can't choose for him right?

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	07-08-2002 16:24									#63
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quote: Originally posted by M@ni@c Btw guys, if I understand the concept of runner-up correctly, that's just like in the US where the president candidate chooses his vice-president, and you can't choose for him right?

stuff real-life
see the other thread, i think there was a general consensus that after the presidential election, there should be a second vote with any presidential candidates left over...

	07-08-2002 18:17									#64
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Not sure if I have the time to run for a directorate unfortunatly, and I may not be able to participate often (Often in my case meaning more than one or two visits to the forum per day, not including visits to post in turn tracking threads. XD ), but when I do, expect me to be *very* vocal.

	07-08-2002 18:26									#65
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Well one or two visits to the forum seems to me as a very regular participation. I'm glad you're with us, Archaic.

	07-08-2002 18:28									#66
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Trust me, when you seem to live on forums like I do, 1 or 2 visits a day isn't much at all. ^^;;; I'd come here more, but I Admin/Mod 3 other major (ie. .com/.net addresses. Nothing to do with any sort of Civ thing. ^^;; ) boards, so I've got my hands full. ^^;

	07-08-2002 19:35									#67
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welcome!

i've been away for 12 hours and it seems coalitions have sprung up around me! what going on? where do we stand on that maniac?

	07-08-2002 20:06									#68
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personally, i'd rather team up with mr pres' capital party. we share similar views about planned in the early game. that CDC nonsense is full of greens.

	07-08-2002 21:34									#69
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Yes, the CDC is worrying me since the CCCP joined ...
Agreed with TKG, we should ally with the capitalist party.

Welcome Archaic !!

	07-08-2002 21:50									#70
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good we agree. CCCP will back out once they realise that the rest of them support green. thoughts maniac?

	07-08-2002 22:53									#71
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ok I have been gone for 24 ohour what happend what is CDC?

	07-08-2002 23:00									#72
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=58179

current parties involved are LSD, CD, and CCCP. they have 7 members

	07-08-2002 23:07									#73
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D*** not good

	07-08-2002 23:10									#74
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which is why i think collaboration with mr pres and his party is necessary

	08-08-2002 02:08									#75
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I agree. The only problem is I don't see many Capital Party members around to discuss the matter.

Btw, I'm wondering after my post in the CDC thread. Current party members, do you see P4 as a right pure free market party, or rather as a centrist party which supports social-democratic ideals but under a free market system?

TKG, you previously said you would like to become D of Science OR SE. I was thinking, if you go SE, we might support EDP as the science wizard and hopefully gain his votes for us then.

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	08-08-2002 03:39									#76
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I was wondering, what means of victory do you support?

	08-08-2002 03:41									#77
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As we are a Discover & Build party: Transcendence and Economic. That's at least what I understood from a little P4 chat yesterday.

	08-08-2002 05:28									#78
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I think Transcend is our main goal but an Economic victory would be also fun and fine.

	08-08-2002 06:16									#79
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mr president is running for foreign affairs too. perhaps julien could go for something else?

	08-08-2002 06:21									#80
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We will see with Mr President but I really would like this cabinet
If a compromise is not possible, I will run the Director of Base Production (the poll will surely officialise it).

	08-08-2002 06:22									#81
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have you all voted for commish yet? im still waiting.

	08-08-2002 06:25									#82
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Yes
But DBTS is in bad shape for the moment

	08-08-2002 06:28									#83
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i think DE is in the lead because he responded to those questions.

	08-08-2002 06:31									#84
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Where is DBTS ? I didn't see him very much the last 2 days.

	08-08-2002 12:43									#85
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Assuming that the nominations on the first page of the thread are current, I might just change my tact and run for Director of Social Eng. I *really* don't want the treehuggers getting their hands on that.

	08-08-2002 22:18									#86
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I had to work guys (sorry have to pay the connection) but about CDC do we really want to become yet another party that bows down for more votes from a party. Remember there are many indepents there and i believe they want to choose if we now hold gound and do not merge with the CDC, maybe a one-member party is ok, people will think we hold on what we believe in. many members of CDC joined because of the popular votes.(?) and now the have lost face a little....we as an own party without any outside interferrins are not yet polluted....does this story make any sense?

	08-08-2002 23:57									#87
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I agree with you DeathByTheSword. We are now the only party which is still unconnected to some coalition, and thus the only party which shows some credibility. The left-wing CDC and right-wing ACE is full of idealists who live with their head in the clouds and drive their points of view so far they become unbalanced and bound to fail in the harsh reality of Planet. P4 however consists out of realists, who don't hang on to one extreme ideology. For example we don't want one economic choice eg Green throughout the entire game as does CDC. Instead we will use Planned, FM and Green SE settings at different stages of the game. The same with atrocities. We are not in favour of our soldiers using such methods, but nor do we swear them off totally (we allow one punishment sphere and construction of PBs) to the point it would cripple our military. We are true centrists and understand the values of balance, compromise and flexibility.

Therefore we do not find it appropriate to ally ourselves with either of the two powerblocks CDC or ACE. To get government seats at some stage in the future we might of course cooperate with some coalition, but we will never become part of that coalition, but stay independent.

Point two. Many parties have taken a stance on the matter of probing. What do the P4 members think of this?

Personally I build probe skimships and probe teams as explorers and pod poppers, so you can go FM and have explorer units outside our borders without pacifism or support problems. If we discover another faction this means we immediately have the good units present to infiltrate.

	09-08-2002 00:04									#88
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i'm all for building probe skimships, but i dont like the idea of popping with them. IODs could just take them out so easily. i think that probing is necessary in war time, and i'd have several probes in a battlegroup also left behind in the base to prevent mind control. i found out in SP that defensive probes are really necessary. you dont want to be without them against the angels or believers.

	09-08-2002 00:09									#89
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Great idea. Sun Tzu says that (if this is getting irri. just say so) to know the dispositions of the enemy we have to use spies (if you konw the dispositions you 'know the enemy' and we have not to fear the result of a hunderd battles. ) but about stealing and framing. I only frame during a war with both factions and stealing I can live with during peacetime in SP. but here it is different if we are discovered and they declare war then we are the agressors. and the other factions will remember that. and if our citizen do not want a war. chances are that the commissioner and/or the D of D will have to resign (or not be elected next time).....

	09-08-2002 00:09									#90
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I agree about the defensive probes (cheap 0-1-1 types of 20 mins - they don't need a rover chassis) and sending some probes along with attack teams to cover captured bases.

To avoid the problems with IoD's destroying probe skimships I always pop a pod while the skimship still has all its movement points. Then it can still run away. Also I don't pop pods on fungus with foils. Only later in the game with cruisers. How would you pop sea pods?

PS: I don't mind the Sun Tzu quotes. I'm somewhat of a China "fan" myself. My world view has some similarities with the Yin-Yang concept, as my signature proves.

I also favour the HSA. Certainly if we would be Knowledge. It also frees us from the need to have a probe defence in every base.