06-08-2002 03:08									#1
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Vote on it!

	06-08-2002 03:36									#2
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I voted for München, I wan't the original names not English wrong-spellings..

	06-08-2002 03:52									#3
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Please use Muenchen, Koeln, Nuernberg, Heidelberg, and Wien.

And don't use Rhineland-Palatinate.

	06-08-2002 04:02									#4
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Definitely München, and Wien, and Köln ...

... and Berlin.

	06-08-2002 08:17									#5
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When I'm playing Russia, my capital has to be Moskva. Better yet, it should be in Cyrillic (Ìîñêâà*), but that might be too much to ask!

*You have to select Cyrillic (Windows) in the View | Encoding menu to see the proper characters.

	06-08-2002 18:11									#6
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original names for all leaders and cities! we'll prove that civ3-players aren't as ignorant as the rest of the world

	06-08-2002 18:17									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Purple When I'm playing Russia, my capital has to be Moskva. Better yet, it should be in Cyrillic (Ìîñêâà*), but that might be too much to ask! *You have to select Cyrillic (Windows) in the View | Encoding menu to see the proper characters.

uhm... won't that be a problem? specially for mac-users?

probably the special characters should be removed, but still the original names:
ä ö ü --> ae oe ue
à á â --> a
é è ë --> e
and so on...

what about the scandinavian letters (the o with the line through it, or the a with the circle on top?)

	06-08-2002 19:15									#8
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ä, ö and ü can be used in civ3 so we should do that..

no of the existing civs use the Ø, but if you want names for the Vikings, Copenhagen should be København in Danish.

	06-08-2002 19:18									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart ä, ö and ü can be used in civ3 so we should do that.. no of the existing civs use the Ø, but if you want names for the Vikings, Copenhagen should be København in Danish.

this thread is about wernezuma extrapack, where iirc viking are included

	06-08-2002 21:07									#10
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OK, that is a clear message! I'll immediately make the necessary changes and then be back.

	06-08-2002 21:12									#11
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This English spelling **** sucks.
The original names are much better and more realistic.

	06-08-2002 21:16									#12
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Munich??????????
What kind of ****ing **** is that?!

	06-08-2002 21:38									#13
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Native Spellings.

München, Köln, Wien, etc.

for non-latin languages, the native romanization: meaning, the MOE system for Korea, Pinyin for China, etc.

	06-08-2002 23:09									#14
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That's probably difficult to do in every case, but I'll try.

	07-08-2002 00:16									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III That's probably difficult to do in every case, but I'll try.

i could help you with the german cities

	07-08-2002 00:45									#16
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i believe every city name i gave you was actually in mccune-reischauer. but no matter, i can find the MOE version very easily. pm me a list of the cities and i'll get them back to you.

	07-08-2002 02:49									#17
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I can maybe help you out too, if you need it

	07-08-2002 17:51									#18
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München!!

quote: probably the special characters should be removed, but still the original names: ä ö ü --> ae oe ue à á â --> a é è ë --> e and so on...

The game accepts all kinds of accented letters and special characters , so no don't remove them. "Muenchen" and "Koeln" look stupid.

	07-08-2002 18:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf The game accepts all kinds of accented letters and special characters , so no don't remove them. "Muenchen" and "Koeln" look stupid.

the game does, but do the non-german character-sets display it correctly? if yes: then forget the 'oe's

	07-08-2002 23:31									#20
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So, everyone: Do you see the ä or don't you?

	08-08-2002 00:41									#21
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I can see it fine. It's just my keyboard doesn't have it.

	08-08-2002 01:37									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless I can see it fine. It's just my keyboard doesn't have it.

look closer.. press the button just left of 'enter', it has the .. on it, and then a, o or u. i may be wrong on this, but it is like that on my keyboard.

	08-08-2002 18:58									#23
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even on american systems, it's capable of displaying those umlaut, tilde, accent, grave characters. you just have to do the alt + xxxx character sequence for that.

but it shouldn't be a problem, odds are civ3 will display them.

so use the marks.

	08-08-2002 19:10									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed even on american systems, it's capable of displaying those umlaut, tilde, accent, grave characters. you just have to do the alt + xxxx character sequence for that. but it shouldn't be a problem, odds are civ3 will display them. so use the marks.

great!

so wernezuma! no compatibility issues... i'm looking forward to v1.0 (functioning) of the extrapack!

	09-08-2002 04:21									#25
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Well, M(umlaut)nchen would probably be a better choice for the international version, but what about all the poor americans who won't buy the game because they'll be confused about these 'weirdo-sounding city names'
(Cater to the uneducated )

	09-08-2002 11:32									#26
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Well, M(umlaut)nchen would probably be a better choice for the international version, but what about all the poor americans who won't buy the game because they'll be confused about these 'weirdo-sounding city names' (Cater to the uneducated )

well... El-Ashmunein, Shuruppak, Thermopylae, Krasnoyarsk, Tureng Tepe didn't stop them from buying the game in the first place. neither did Calixtlahuaca, Xochicalco, Tepetlaoxtoc, Tlapanaloya, Isandhlwana or Gandasetaigon

anyhow, this is an extrapack buy the community, so they don't need to pay for it anyway...

	09-08-2002 13:41									#27
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quote: Originally posted by HighCouncil This English spelling **** sucks. The original names are much better and more realistic.

I thought nobody around here cared about "realism" with Civ 3?

OK, let's have the Japanese and Chinese names in the characters of their languages, also. I want the Egyptian names in ancient cartouches; we can use the Rosetta Stone to decypher them. Babylonian cuneiform should be interesting.

	09-08-2002 14:18									#28
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Go München. My son is studying there. He has never been in "Munich".

	09-08-2002 18:09									#29
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--whooosh--

(sound of point flying clear over coracle's head)

no, see, by english spelling, wernazuma was referring to the common english version of a foreign city. thus, münchen would be rendered as munich, not as münchen.

what is daejon would be written as taejon by standard english, but using the native romanization system, it would be daejon.

	09-08-2002 21:27									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle I thought nobody around here cared about "realism" with Civ 3? OK, let's have the Japanese and Chinese names in the characters of their languages, also. I want the Egyptian names in ancient cartouches; we can use the Rosetta Stone to decypher them. Babylonian cuneiform should be interesting.

That would be great. But you also want to put English subtitle for them so you can actually learn several interesting languages.

On the serious side, every non-latin language in this world has its form of latinization. We are only proposing to use those instead of what is being used in common English. If a civ's language uses latin letters, then we should use their names directly.