06-08-2002 05:31									#1
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I just noticed that we have something like 200 more threads than the Civ2 Demo Game. How is this possible, if we've pretty much just started compared to them?

	06-08-2002 06:18									#2
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Well, basically there is so much more clutter here. When I visited their forum, they are much more organized and most of their threads are more relevant. Here we have threads just to ask for information available in other threads.

	06-08-2002 06:18									#3
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People complain and whine about silly things all the time.

	06-08-2002 06:45									#4
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its because this is much bigger. we surpassed them in citizen-count in a matter of weeks.

	06-08-2002 09:48									#5
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we have more people, more democracy, and frankly, more idiots that have the freedom of speech :P

you know, this thread sort of adds to our total # of threads doesn't it?

::cough::

	06-08-2002 11:08									#6
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I have not noticed here a higher proportion of idiots, compared to any other human community. Besides, it is the same for genocidal maniacs.

	06-08-2002 12:01									#7
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to get it mathematically right, you would have to use the total thread count of apo and compare it to the total thread count of cfc. then you have to calculate a normalized threadcount for both demogames to compare ;-)

but this clearly shows you will need subforums much earlier than we did, as your postcount will easily surpass ours by propably factor 2 or even 3 soon (well, as soon as ppl start to actually get distributed work on city topics, as different aspects of the game come up, as rpg starts etc.). at the moment (typicall early game) its just military action. as soon as the later game comes up when micromanagement and all aspects of civilization come up (typical mid-game) this will get interesting ;-)

	06-08-2002 12:29									#8
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To the numbers:
normalized=demogame/total

apo
threads:
total: 50898
demogame: 50898
normalized=0,0133
posts:
total: 998863
demogame: 18677
normalized=0,0187

cfc
threads:
total: 28015
demogame: 1048
normalized=0,0374
posts:
total: 407850
demogame: 18157
normalized=0,0445

Summary
Comparing the normalized thread-counts, phoenatica has about 2.8 times the number of threads than apolytonia. In the normalized postcounts phoenatica has about 2.4 times the count of posts than apolytonia.

Result
up to you to interpret. just one thing: you run at about double the turnrate we do, so the normalized numbers are conclsusive, meaning you will end up in the same normalized counts we ended up.
as the total apo-count is 2.4 times the cfc count, i forecast the following totals for apolytonia at the date we have in phoenatica at the moment (1800AD):
2515 threads
43577 posts

conclusion
a analysis based on the member count may also help, though it would propably be useless due to "dead" members.

	06-08-2002 12:56									#9
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Strange findings
Looking at the stats again, i assumed there double the turn-rate than at cfc (you take double the number of turn-chats per week).
But then, looking at the game development, i made a strange discovery:
apo started the game on 20.06.2002 and is in 750BC (i believe) after about 46 days.
cfc startet the game at 01.04.2002 and was at 750BC about 19 days later.
Again, here is a 2.4 factor, but this time totally opposing the numbers above, as cfc is 2.4 times faster than apo!

assumptions
a) 2.4 is a magic number (well, litte vague here ;-)
or
b) apo will take 2.4 times the time cfc took to complete the game with 2.4x2.4 times the post and thread counts of cfc(!).

totally strange. did something heavily interrupting happen during the first turn-chats? was the schedule drastically changed?
i would have expected apo being 2.4 times faster than cfc, not the other way around.

	06-08-2002 14:51									#10
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Fascinating. Another test of our well known blinded obeyance to a pseudo-scientific demonstration ?

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	06-08-2002 18:29									#11
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*looks forward with a serious face, nodding*

uh huh yes right 2.4 hmmm well that could explain it

*reads it again*

conclusion: disorganizer knows more math than me

	06-08-2002 21:48									#12
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skywalker was talking about the civ2 demogame gere at poly i believe...

	06-08-2002 21:51									#13
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Uber's right. Poly's Civ2 Demo Game has 400-something threads, while we have 600-something.

	06-08-2002 23:28									#14
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hi ,

the fact that more people get an internet connection plays a role that is largely forgotten , ....

and "back then" there where not to many site's about civ , ... ask Ming and Rah , they play civ2 for ages

in europe there was almost nothing , here and there a fan club , a forum or two , now the last to years more and more people find there way to the net , ...

and apolyton is without doubt the best site on civ

have a nice day

	06-08-2002 23:55									#15
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker I just noticed that we have something like 200 more threads than the Civ2 Demo Game. How is this possible, if we've pretty much just started compared to them?

Yes I noticed that too. Maybe this is a good example of wasted space.

Interestingly enough, you started 40 on your own, more than Unorthodox and Tassadar (the Jungle Gazette) combined, more than Trip or Ninot, including all the election threads Trip had to set up. Nearly 1/16th of the total, by only 1/200th of the membership...and you're not in the gov't.

Just some interesting facts.

	07-08-2002 14:06									#16
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hmmm....



sorry. That just seemed to be the right thing to do on a thread like this.

Kman

	08-08-2002 00:19									#17
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You know, I think that those "this is spam" posts are quite ironic, as they seem to be spam themselves. That would include this one.

	08-08-2002 03:45									#18
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker You know, I think that those "this is spam" posts are quite ironic, as they seem to be spam themselves. That would include this one.

I think their irony is sort of their point. At least I always thought so. I use them to be hippocritical in such a blatant way that it could be found as humorous. I dunno though.

	08-08-2002 12:05									#19
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im sorry i didnt notice it was about civ2->civ3 demogame... apologies.

but another comment to the civ2-civ3-comparison:
civ3 is much more complex and has much more things and aspects to discuss and in comparison to this civ2 is rather "straight forward".
and also, more citizens are here and there is a general tendecy to extend roleplay (as also to be seen in the rpg-sales statistics for various games).

	08-08-2002 19:34									#20
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quote: Originally posted by disorganizer im sorry i didnt notice it was about civ2->civ3 demogame... apologies. but another comment to the civ2-civ3-comparison: civ3 is much more complex and has much more things and aspects to discuss and in comparison to this civ2 is rather "straight forward". and also, more citizens are here and there is a general tendecy to extend roleplay (as also to be seen in the rpg-sales statistics for various games).

hi ,

indeed that is true , and the fact that there are more people now who play , comp games used to be only for "kids" , now adults start to play games more and more , ...

have a nice day

	09-08-2002 02:02									#21
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , indeed that is true , and the fact that there are more people now who play , comp games used to be only for "kids" , now adults start to play games more and more , ... have a nice day

The main reason why adults are playing more and more is because they were the kids who played them t begin with and are just continueing to play into their adulthood. My older brther would be a good example of this.

Kman

	10-08-2002 15:05									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Kramerman The main reason why adults are playing more and more is because they were the kids who played them t begin with and are just continueing to play into their adulthood. My older brther would be a good example of this. Kman

hi ,

that is also true , but more and more "adults" who have never played before find their way in to games , .....
and civ has to be good , because more and more people buy it

have a nice day