07-08-2002 04:31									#1
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There are some new screens up at

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filter...,561213,00.html

One of these shots lists all of the new civs!

Mongols, Spanish, Vikings, Ottomans, Celts, Arabs, Carthagenians and Koreans.

	07-08-2002 04:47									#2
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Brennus scares me!

Finnaly, conformation on all the civs, no more speculation! Thank you Firaxis!

It seems the Celtic UU is based off of the Midevial Infantry, yet they still have midevial infantry walking around with the UUs, weird...

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	07-08-2002 05:35									#3
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Actually, judging from the name of the Celt UU, I'd say it's based off of the Ancient Swordsman! I must say that, though these screenshots do answer a lot of questions (like what civs are in, what the Celt UU is and what the Men-at-Arms look like!) they also raise a couple of intriguing new questions, mostly pertaining to the interface buttons associated with the units! There are a few that I have NEVER seen before-especially for the worker unit! Anyone care to speculate on what some of the new buttons might do?
Anyway, I second what Darkworld just said. Thankyou Firaxis!!! I'm salivating like a Starving man who has just been shown an image of a 3-course meal!!!

Yours,
The_Aussie_Lurker.

	07-08-2002 05:48									#4
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Ah ha! It was the Celts after all .

And the Arabs are in!

But no Incas . I guess that is for expansion #2 .

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I was sure the Arabs weren't going to make it, but that is awesome news. Too bad about the Incas though.

	07-08-2002 06:12									#6
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I guessing that the new buttons for the workers would have to be some of the short cut keys such as the SHift A, SHift J etc. Its gotta be it.

BTW the celts look vicous and are kicking butt on those screen shots.

Also guessing that the listing of leaders and civ at the top, with points as well, is a shorter and quick view of the current scores of each civ.

	07-08-2002 06:36									#7
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Thier calling the UU for the Celts Gallic swordsman?

	07-08-2002 08:00									#8
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I bet that those Medievil Infantry units are the upgrade for swordsmen. They probably co-exist with the Musketman unt, then both are upgradable to rifleman. Hopefully this integrates the swordsman into the upgrade scheme!

	07-08-2002 08:48									#9
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I bet that the Swordsman upgrades to Medieval Infantry, but the Celts can't build Medieval Infantry, they can only build Gallic Swordsmen and Swordsmen. But, since they can build Swordsmen, then upgrade them, that is how they have both units running around.

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Yeah, I think it would have been nice to have the Incas replace the Arabs in this one...and save the Arabs and Israelites for the next one.

Ah well, I hope we get our Incas (in the next xp)!

	07-08-2002 08:55									#11
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This is incredible! I guess it is finally confirmed, Arabs, Ottomans and Koreans are all in, if this screenshot is to be trusted. I think Brennus looks really cool, as does the Gallic Swordsman. I think Brennus is a highly questionable choice for Celtic leader though, I would have much rather seen Vercingetorix.

All in all, PTW is looking to be the greatest thing since the advent of the Polio vaccine.

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Congrats to fans of the Arabs, they are a highly worthy civ. Let's just hope Inca, Hebrews, Dutch, and the rest of the popular remaining civs make it in the next one!

	07-08-2002 09:46									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker Actually, judging from the name of the Celt UU, I'd say it's based off of the Ancient Swordsman!

A little overpowering for a upgrade of the Swordsman, since it adds 1 to both attack & movement, making it an ancient Knight that you can get two advances after you begin the game.

Did anybody else see that we now have 3 militaristic & religious civs?

	07-08-2002 12:21									#14
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My theory about the Gallic Swordsman:

Since the new Medieval Infantry is 4/2/1, I think the 4/2/2 Gallic Swordsman is instead of it for the Celts. (Info from the screenshots.)

In the preview they mentioned that the swordsman can "transform to" Guerilla Fighter, but IMHO the first upgrade is medieval swordsman.

So the future of the swordsman is the following:

1. Swordsman (3/2/1)
*upgrade*
2. Medieval Infantry (4/2/1) OR - Celts only - Gallic Swordsman (4/2/2)
*upgrade*
3. Guerilla Fighter (?/?/?)

Isn't it logical?

	07-08-2002 12:28									#15
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They would have called the unit Asterix if it wasn't for copyright issues.

	07-08-2002 12:37									#16
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hagen -

Yeah, that's what I gathered from the preview. It's good that the swordsman has an upgrade path now.

	07-08-2002 12:43									#17
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Cool. Soon I'll have a way of keeping my swordsmen in use past the ancient age without having to put their upgrade path to go though knights.

I do hope that guerilla fighters have some extra ability and not just a new unit. Maybe giving them the invisible tag, but on land so that you don't spot them immediately (but so that AEGIS's don't either). Or making them like partisans from Civ2. Or something else.

	07-08-2002 12:49									#18
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The Arabs or the Incas would have been much better than Koreans.

	07-08-2002 13:29									#19
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Stuff and nonsense, Korea is one of the most exciting new civs to see in PTW. They have a rich and cultured history full of great achievements. From their great scientific inventions, to their famous wars with China and Japan. Though geography may have dealt them an awful hand, they managed to maintain their own unique language and culture for thousands of years. They are certianly one of the three great kingdoms of east Asia and just as worthy of inclusion (if not more so) than some of the many euro civs.

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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker There are a few that I have NEVER seen before-especially for the worker unit! Anyone care to speculate on what some of the new buttons might do?

A few of them seem pretty self-explanatory. I think they are mostly just buttons for the worker functions that are currently only accessible via hotkeys.

I think the normal road symbol with the arrow on top is the "road-to" command.
Many of the ones in the middle of the top row are probably the different kinds of automation.
The "ABC" button is probably meant to open a chat window for MP games.

We'll have to wait and see for confirmation, though.

	07-08-2002 14:57									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Bambul I do hope that guerilla fighters have some extra ability and not just a new unit. Maybe giving them the invisible tag

IIRC, Firaxis said that the guerilla is a somewhat weaker infantry unit that doesn't need rubber. They're also testing hidden nationality for guerillas, but don't know how the AI will handle this.

quote: Originally posted by monkspider Korea is one of the most exciting new civs to see in PTW.

Although I'll miss the Incas, Koreans are a good choice, too. (And maybe their inclusion is an attempt to reconciliate yin26 .)

	07-08-2002 16:46									#22
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Arabs shmarabs.

	07-08-2002 17:22									#23
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quote: So the future of the swordsman is the following: 1. Swordsman (3/2/1) *upgrade* 2. Medieval Infantry (4/2/1) OR - Celts only - Gallic Swordsman (4/2/2) *upgrade* 3. Guerilla Fighter (?/?/?) Isn't it logical?

sounds logical, but why do the celts have both the gallic swordsman and the medieval infantry in the screenshots?
perhaps firaxis put the med inf in there just to confuse us?

	07-08-2002 17:27									#24
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In the Player Setup screenshot, the new civs don't have country names. I'm sure they're going to change that, but it's still a bit odd.

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quote: Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker Actually, judging from the name of the Celt UU, I'd say it's based off of the Ancient Swordsman! I must say that, though these screenshots do answer a lot of questions (like what civs are in, what the Celt UU is and what the Men-at-Arms look like!) they also raise a couple of intriguing new questions, mostly pertaining to the interface buttons associated with the units! There are a few that I have NEVER seen before-especially for the worker unit! Anyone care to speculate on what some of the new buttons might do? Anyway, I second what Darkworld just said. Thankyou Firaxis!!! I'm salivating like a Starving man who has just been shown an image of a 3-course meal!!! Yours, The_Aussie_Lurker.

Possibly, they are on-screen buttons for some of the current commands. The house on top of the wavy lines is probably "Irrigate to nearest city". Not sure what the others might be.

	07-08-2002 18:28									#26
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NO INCA!!!!

I disagree (it sounds a bit primitive, uga uga! )

EDIT (1) : But, what about of include a SECRET civ, for example, press CTRL + ALT + I in the start screen and the incans are here! Could be a nice feature/eastern egg . Is a bit videoconsole-like idea, but I believe that is great.

EDIT (2) : Some celtic city names are incorrect, I believe that should be in a Celtic phonetical similar name. Also, include some of Ireland / Wales / Scotland / Isle of Man / Cornwall / Britonia / Galiza like "Baile Atha Cliath" (Dublin) or "Caerdydd" (Cardiff).

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BTW, according to Picture #3, the Celtic capital is Entremont.

	07-08-2002 20:25									#28
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looks wonderful. i guess i'll buy PTW after all

swordsmen upgrade has been solved. but what's with longbowmen? they're still running around in my games in the late 1800s

has anyone got an idea what these worker-icons could mean:
worker icons
top row:
icon 1: build road, then colony
icon 2: build road to
icon 3: automate and something
icon 4: irrigate and return home??
icon 5: automate and go home??
icon 6: automate and ??? (same icon in middle row)
icon 7: automate and don't change any existing improvement
icon 8: go home??
icon 9: some chat stuff
middle row: nothing new
lower row:
3rd last icon: patrol
last 2 icons: something with regicide? locate enemys king?

any ideas?

	07-08-2002 20:33									#29
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quote: Originally posted by hagen My theory about the Gallic Swordsman: Since the new Medieval Infantry is 4/2/1, I think the 4/2/2 Gallic Swordsman is instead of it for the Celts. (Info from the screenshots.) In the preview they mentioned that the swordsman can "transform to" Guerilla Fighter, but IMHO the first upgrade is medieval swordsman. So the future of the swordsman is the following: 1. Swordsman (3/2/1) *upgrade* 2. Medieval Infantry (4/2/1) OR - Celts only - Gallic Swordsman (4/2/2) *upgrade* 3. Guerilla Fighter (?/?/?) Isn't it logical?

sound's logic, but it can't be. see screenshot:
gallic swordman screenshot

horseback riding is still being researched --> still in ancient times!!! so it can't be a medieval unit.

it does seem very overpowered, because it's fast and strong in offense (only immortals have the same attack in ancient age) and defense (only hoplites and legions are stronger)

my explanations:
- some other disadvantage (less HP, very expensive)
- celtic replacement for a new ancient unit (and knights and cavalry get stronger)
- firaxis want's us to speculate so we don't notice other things

btw: i've noticed to different cattle symbols on different screenshots... or is it a different bonus resource?

	07-08-2002 20:44									#30
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I am dissapointed that the Incas aren't in, but happy with the rest of the civs. Pleasantly surprised that Firaxis included the Arabs.

I agree that Vercingetorix would have been a better choice for a leader of the Celts, though Brennus looks really scary. Also wondering why some of the Celtic city names are in Latin. Seems like they used the Roman name for some of the towns instead of the Celtic name.

Also isn't it contradictory to have the Celtic UU be the Gallic Swordsman? I have to say that this is one of their stupider moves. Right up there with the Rider unit.