08-08-2002 02:09									#1
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Well, I have noticed that, in some of my MPGE games the barbarians regrect conquest one of my cities!

I don't undestand why. Here is a example that I've created...

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	08-08-2002 02:13									#2
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They can conquest two of my cities: Filadelfia (spanish name for Philadelphia) and Boston (spanish name for Boston ), but they don't do it!

Can you help me?

There is the save file... (MPGE)

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	08-08-2002 03:50									#3
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I've loaded your game and they always prefer conquering Boston (maybe because you can attack Filadelfia...).
In my opinion, as long as Filadelfia is a city with a hard future (look at all that ice, man!), I'd let them conquest it, and as you know, there are 2 leaders there... so, you wait until they conquest Boston and then go with your archer and another unit from Filadelfia (buy it) and make and ambush... 200 gold in a pair of turns and get rid of that Boston...

Well, in mi Civ barbarians are not so stupid...

	08-08-2002 03:54									#4
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I don't understand it. In my civ, the barbarians don't move...

BTW, the game is not a serious one. It's only a test for the barbarians. I build Philadelphia and Boston only to be conquered by barbarians...

	09-08-2002 15:41									#5
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Is there any zone of control which prevents the Barbarians from moving?

Look at your Bowman.

	09-08-2002 21:18									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kramsib Is there any zone of control which prevents the Barbarians from moving? Look at your Bowman.

A city negates any ZOC, you can enter it no matter where units around it are.

	09-08-2002 22:39									#7
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Sure but the barbarians might not "know" that, sometimes the goto AI for ships and planes stop since it thinks there is ZoC in place around units even though that is not true for Air and Sea units.

What if the Barbarian Ai works the same way in this case?

	09-08-2002 23:24									#8
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hmmm... interesting but why doesn't he enter Boston?

	10-08-2002 00:25									#9
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Has any the same problem with the save game?

	10-08-2002 00:34									#10
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yes, I activated the cheat menu and after making several modifications on the terrain, etc. both cities keep safe behind an invisible magic wall

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	10-08-2002 00:40									#11
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Amazing: if you build a unit in the city, the barbarias attacks!

	10-08-2002 16:51									#12
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That means:

Run away from the city = Save the city from Barbarians

?????

	10-08-2002 17:14									#13
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Look what happens in my MPGE.

Before conquering Boston, the barbarians sent me this message.

This message didn't appear in my first version of Civ II (my Spanish version), the Barbarians conquered the cities without mercy, but when I updated it to Civ II 2.42 this option amazed me.

I think, Yaros, your MPGE version has a problem with the events, the computer wants to pop up the message which doesn't exist (maybe), so the barbarians get stuck.

I will give an explanation in Spanish because I don't know how to explain it in English, sorry , I will try to translate it later.

Para que me entiendas, que en inglés no puedo decirlo con claridad. Me da a mi que los bárbaros están configurados para entrar en una ciudad después de que se responda al mensaje de abajo, como quizá, ese mensaje te falta en la lista de eventos, el ordenador ni puede mostrarlo, ni los bárbaros recibir respuesta, conclusión, los bárbaros se quedan bloqueados.

Eso también explica el por qué atacan cuando hay unidades, si hay unidades dentro de la ciudad significa que aún no pueden entrar y no hay necesidad de mostrar el mensaje por lo que atacan sin cuidado.

¿Por qué sucede esto?, bien, creo recordar que tu versión de MPGE es del parche de Eltaranna, quizá no actualice del todo y se haya dejado algunos resquicios.

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	10-08-2002 22:21									#14
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I've no idea about that Civ2 MPGE come with events.txt. I've installed the patch to upgrade Civ 2.42 to MPGE, and both (the english and the spanish patch) have no events.txt ...

	11-08-2002 04:24									#15
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wow, it's the first time I see a negotiation with barbarians. I think I also have that version, 1'3 from Eltaranna.

	11-08-2002 11:48									#16
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I thought that allways happened?
It certainly does in my version of both civ classic and MGE (though I use a mac so some stuff might differ), that message is in the game.txt.
Maybe the message has been there all along but allways failed to trigger in your (older?) versions of civ?

	11-08-2002 16:56									#17
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quote: @CONTINUEHAWKS @width=320 @title=Defense Minister The Senate passes a resolution supporting continued action against the %STRING1. @RANSOMCITY @width=320 @title=Defense Minister The leader of the Barbarian %STRING0 has sent us a message: "We shall mercilessly sack the city of %STRING1 unless you pay us %NUMBER0 gold at once!" "Do your worst!" Pay %NUMBER0 gold. @NOAIRPORT @width=320 @title=Civ Rules: Airlifts Units may only be airlifted between cities with airports.

Here is the location of the Ransomcity event in game.txt between Continuehawks and Noairport. You are right Yaros, there is no events.txt in the main folder, sorry .

But look for it, use the "Search" tool in "Word" with the first sentence, and tell us if you missed it.

	12-08-2002 21:17									#18
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I have it, both on the Spanish and English 'game.txt' I also try loading test.sav with the english one, but doesn't work...