08-08-2002 05:33									#1
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What's your opinion on turnchat?

I'm personally against it, because of the timezone issues, but I think it's important we find out what the broad consensus is.

You have three days.

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	08-08-2002 05:54									#2
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quote: I'm personally against it, because of the timezone issues, but I think it's important we find out what the broad consensus is.

You musn't give your opinion in the first thread.
You broke the UN constitution !! Perm Ban !!

As I said before, the current constitution doesn't reflect my point of view on turnchats as I only made a more SMAC text. I'm for the power of polling so that a guideline emerge for the Directors and the Commissioner.

	08-08-2002 06:16									#3
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I voted "abstain" because I think that this should be left to the Commissioner... after all, that's the Commissioner's job, to take care that everything works out as smoothly as possible. Let's not tie his hands.

	08-08-2002 11:39									#4
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Turnchats seem to be fun, but they can be trouble. I am voting against, but would be more than content with turnchats actually happening.

	08-08-2002 12:01									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Leland I voted "abstain" because I think that this should be left to the Commissioner... after all, that's the Commissioner's job, to take care that everything works out as smoothly as possible. Let's not tie his hands.

No....The Commissioners job should just be to play the game and give advice and maybe hold an executive veto. Giving someone too much power is never a good thing, especially when this demo game is developing soo many political parties....I mean, party politics is already appearing in many things.

I'm for turnchats. Everything else is just too slow.

	08-08-2002 12:26									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 No....The Commissioners job should just be to play the game and give advice and maybe hold an executive veto. Giving someone too much power is never a good thing, especially when this demo game is developing soo many political parties....I mean, party politics is already appearing in many things.

The constitution does say that the Commissioner is responsible for consulting with the Directors. If he doesn't do that (either in turnchat or turnthread or private messages), then the people can impeach him. As simple as that. Besides, if the Commissioner has the power decide whether to host turnchats or not, he can make it a campaign issue. I think that'll be much more interesting, and even if the Commissioner would try to use his powers to advance party goals (for example organizing a turnchat when the foreign advisor is sleeping, so that he can improvise diplomacy) then it would only make for more political intrigue and scandals, all of which are fun things to have.

The only rule of democracy is that there are no rules!

	08-08-2002 12:32									#7
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Are we bound to disagree on everything!!??!

quote: The constitution does say that the Commissioner is responsible for consulting with the Directors. If he doesn't do that (either in turnchat or turnthread or private messages), then the people can impeach him. As simple as that. Besides, if the Commissioner has the power decide whether to host turnchats or not, he can make it a campaign issue.

Oh well. All I can say is "I disagree!" and vote. No amount of my whining is going to do any good. I think.

quote: then it would only make for more political intrigue and scandals, all of which are fun things to have.

Such things are not fun. This is one of the reasons I bairly go to the civ 3 demo game (well, my frequency is declining). The game has burnt down to political manuvering and making the other party look bad. Its boring.

(Do I make the Civ3 Demo Game sound just really aweful?)

quote: The only rule of democracy is that there are no rules!

	08-08-2002 12:50									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 (Do I make the Civ3 Demo Game sound just really aweful?)

Yes
Yes you do

I got sick and/or tired of it myself.

	08-08-2002 13:42									#9
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I'm for continuing threads for each of the ministers where party leader or other minister can request certain actions, after that the minister may start a poll if he thinks its necessary, and everyone can vote in that.

	09-08-2002 16:25									#10
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WTF? We are going to have turnchats? Those, err, us poor souls that live on the Eastern side of Greenwich will have problems.

	09-08-2002 17:11									#11
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I agree it will be terrible for us NOT americans

	09-08-2002 18:15									#12
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East-Greenwichers, don't worry! I think there are more East-Greenwichers than West-Greenwichers currently in the demo game. Don't act so slavely to our American colleagues! Besides, if there are turnchats, I suppose it would be the High Commissioner proposing a date and hour. If the Commissioner is European, I suppose the chat will be in the late evening, so Americans can follow in the early evening. Besides, I suppose many people here play game on their work, so they shouldn't have a problem following a chat on their work in the afternoon.

	09-08-2002 20:17									#13
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having turnchats anywhere between 15:00 and 20:00 GMT is fine by me here at GMT -5.

	09-08-2002 20:31									#14
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Alternate between turnchats and turnthreads, or just do all turnthreads.

Aussie members (such as MWIA) are at a disadvantage with turnchats, since any time convenient to Euros or Yanks is bad for them (and any time good for them is bad for Euros and Yanks). With turnthreads, they can participate more.

As for turnchats, I could make it virtually any time during daylight hours-- as early as 6 AM EST and as late as 10 PM EST.

	10-08-2002 06:35									#15
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Well, I find these results pretty worrying.

It's going to make it much more difficult for many of us who aren't in America to participate.

	10-08-2002 06:57									#16
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i thought we went over that? its us that will have a problem, not you.

	10-08-2002 06:57									#17
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This is a blasphemous suggestion, but how about having both turnchats and turnthreads? If some members of the Directorate can't make it to the turnchat, that's their problem, and it's not as if turnchat is the only way to tell the commissioner what he should do (e.g. if the D of R tells in the turnthread "I want to research Social Psych", then it's no excuse for the Commissioner not to follow this if D of R cannot attend the chat).

Frankly, I don't see what the big problem is.

	10-08-2002 16:57									#18
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Me neither. Let's have them all. A turnchat would be preferable with at least the directors present, but apart perhaps from the Foreign Affairs Director (in case an AI unexpectedly contacts us) I don't really see the absolute need for anyone else present.

	11-08-2002 02:49									#19
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Turnchats are limited to those who live in the right timezone or have a certain time period off. The only way I would support this is if there were a public display and record of the entire turnchat.