08-08-2002 06:17									#1
	Ruling the polls ? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Here is the Article III of the constitution like it is right now :

quote: ARTICLE III: Polling General Rules: Polls may be conducted in an ‘unofficial’ format to simply gain information, but CANNOT be used in any official decisions. All of the following rules are regarding ‘official’ polls, which may or may not be used as official results for the actual game. Any unofficial polls must be labeled as so within the first post. Each official poll should have its rules laid out, as well as a form of expiration, either when a certain event takes place (i.e. ‘when the game starts’), or a time limit (i.e. ‘5 days’). This is to prevent the occurrence of an incident such as if doesn’t include an expiration, and says 3 weeks later "well this poll said this" kind of thing, and use its results officially. Each poll should lay out the potential options, as well as the question in a clear format. The required inclusions for the post are: an expiration date/event, a fair, clear and concise, unbaised question which addressed the issue of the poll, and a general description of what your poll entails. Instead of a description if you wish to post a link to another thread to give a description, that is acceptable as well. Those who wish to put up a poll are strongly recommended to first discuss the issue in another thread, and bounce around possible options for voting. If someone feels that a poll could have been better made as a 'grouping' poll, or a 'yes/no' poll, then it may be deemed invalid. Length of a Poll: Each poll must be open for a minimum of 3 days. This allows enough time for the majority of our members to see the poll and vote in it. Any poll open or taking results in less than 3 days is invalid. This includes 'spur of the moment' polls, that say something like 'This poll ends when turn 5 starts', but turn 5 starts in 2 days instead of 3 - this poll would be invalid. Fairness and Neutrality: The first post in a poll thread should be completely neutral. No options are to be suggested for voting, just what each option entails in an unbiased format. The same is true for the voting options. While poking fun at an option will probably be acceptable, if someone thinks that it interferes with a voter’s decision, then they may deem it invalid. If you show bias in your options, then it is no longer fair. So be warned, if your poll is a landslide one way and should win but someone feels that the options you presented are unfair and calls for a validity vote, if it’s deemed invalid your poll is useless. Poll Format: Each official poll MUST include either a ‘yes/no’ format, or a ‘group’ format, where similar options are grouped together, where the winning option within the group with the most votes is the official winner. The only time these formats do not have to be followed is in true multiple-choice polls, i.e. ‘Which Civilization should we be: Egyptians, Persians. Etc.’ In these cases, a simple ‘yes/no’ or ‘grouping’ poll does not suffice. Repolling: If someone wants to conduct a repoll, then it must be created at least 3 weeks following the initial poll. If a repoll is created before 3 weeks has passed, then that poll is immediately invalid. If a poll is an alternative poll, offering alternatives to decisions made in a previous poll, then it also must be conducted at least 3 weeks following the first poll, or be immediately deemed invalid. Any poll that's general purpose is the same or similar as another poll will be considered a repoll. Length of Validity: Poll results are valid until either a repoll is conducted, or an optional expiration on the results of the poll is included (either from an event or a time limit). In any other case, the results of a poll are official until the end of the game. Invalidity of a Poll: If these rules are not abided by, anyone may consider the poll invalid. If someone believes a poll to not be following these rules and declares it invalid, then a vote may be conducted among the elected officials listed above to be either ‘valid’ or ‘invalid’. If the poll is deemed invalid, then its results cannot be used for any official purposes regarding the game. A poll deemed invalid cannot be voted on again unless it abides by the rules regarding a repoll.

This poll will last three days

	08-08-2002 23:10									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I didnt vote yet but .....we probebly have to change it...this will be the task of the first commissioner i think.....this seems not nessecery. or the first commissioner isnt

	10-08-2002 06:51									#3
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I voted against it, because I think it makes things unnecessarily complicated. But I can see reason for it's existence, too..

	10-08-2002 07:06									#4
	Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by Darkness' Edge I voted against it, because I think it makes things unnecessarily complicated. But I can see reason for it's existence, too..

I also voted no, only because I didn't like the "Repoll" rules. What if a repoll was required immediately?

	10-08-2002 07:16									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I voted against because most of this stuff sounds like unnecessary bureocracy. Polls, when not dealing with impeachments, contitutional amandments or elections, are never official anyway, and I think it'd be much more sensible to just have separate polling rules for these three cases. No wonder Civ3dg has stagnated if they have this sort of monolithic legalise in their rules...