10-08-2002 21:25									#1
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will PTW be a standalone game or does it require a civ3vanilla-installation?

	10-08-2002 21:54									#2
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You do not really want an answer to this...

	10-08-2002 21:59									#3
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Hehe, he means NO, you have to buy the orignal game first! Thats Fraxis nicking your money!

	10-08-2002 22:07									#4
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quote: Originally posted by rob.derosa Hehe, he means NO, you have to buy the orignal game first! Thats Fraxis nicking your money!

i've got an original version, but some multi-player-fans won't want to buy two things, just for one game.

it would be healthier for infogrames to sell a standalone version for just slightly more... after all, all civ-fans (single player, that is), already bought civ3

	10-08-2002 22:14									#5
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it won't be too long until the original and expansion appear in some kind of "Civ3 Gold" or "Civ3 Complete" box
... that will mean you'll only have to buy one box, although the price will be slightly higher.

	11-08-2002 00:23									#6
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well, see, the nature of an expansion pack is...

(hw:c is the exception to a rule)

	11-08-2002 00:35									#7
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It would be worst to sell it stand alone! Then it would be like buying the whole game over again just for extras. (Sim City 3000/Sim CIty 3000 Unlimited)

	11-08-2002 00:45									#8
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	11-08-2002 02:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed well, see, the nature of an expansion pack is... (hw:c is the exception to a rule)

And Half-Life: Blue Shift.

And CivII Test of Time comes to mind.....I'm pretty sure it was similar to the mentioned SimCity 3000 situation...

	11-08-2002 14:42									#10
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quote: Originally posted by rob.derosa Hehe, he means NO, you have to buy the orignal game first! Thats Fraxis nicking your money!

Yea, typical.

HEY FIRAXIS GUYS. . . how about doing a little coding for a change and selling a PTW Deluxe (or some other name)? You can give those who want it the option of getting FIXED all the stuff we hate, such as Flipping borders and cities; crazy levels of settler expansion; lame naval warfare and useless privateers and subs;
bombers with a realistic range (above '8'); less AI cheating; and all the other things some of us despise.
That includes an end to the stupid UNLIMITED MP's on RR's, and not being able to use unpillaged roads when invading.

Even I'd pay for it.

	11-08-2002 19:19									#11
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quote: Originally posted by JtheJackal It would be worst to sell it stand alone! Then it would be like buying the whole game over again just for extras. (Sim City 3000/Sim CIty 3000 Unlimited)

true! if XP costs ~35$ and vanilla ~50$... and the XP is fully working, who would buy the original version?

but 35$ is a bit much for having the same game with a few new -not very revolutionary- features and just 8 new civs.
i'm mainly looking forward to the diplomacy editing for scenarios...

	11-08-2002 19:54									#12
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SC3K:U wasn't an expansion pack per se.

and HL:BS is again, an exception to the rule. although, i have it, i don't think you can actually install it without the HL game on your HD... even if it does run off its own cd.

	10-10-2002 04:42									#13
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fyi: PTW is NOT standalone, if i understood the CFC-chat correctly. but there's going to be some kind of cheaper civ3-edition for people who don't want to but civ3, but want PTW

.... of did i get it wrong?

	10-10-2002 21:30									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed SC3K:U wasn't an expansion pack per se.

That's his point if you wanted the new building sets you had to buy the game all over again.

quote: and HL:BS is again, an exception to the rule. although, i have it, i don't think you can actually install it without the HL game on your HD... even if it does run off its own cd.

Blue Shift is a stand alone game, you can also get it for PS2 (and maybe dreamcast, did that one ever come out?).

	10-10-2002 21:48									#15
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I would pay MUCHO MUCHO MUCHO MUCHO money for only 2 things, be it add on, stand alone PTW supergold, whatever:

DIPLOMACY must be complex, huge, masterful, articulate, massive, every-treaty-type-in-existance, all including multidimensional, UN incorperating, foreignpolicy slut mongering.

GOVERNMENTS must be wide, varying complicated, controlable, SMAClike, parliament tweaking, senate robbing, all-philosophies-under-the-sun, wide spectrum, propagande using, people voting (or not), foreign loathing, poiltical beasts.

If they could do that, I would pay more money then you've ever seen before. I'd make FIRAXIS roll in their own cash. There wouldn't be a cent left on this earth not being funeled into their big thick juicy hairy dripping wallets...

	10-10-2002 21:54									#16
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Hmmm, that is a little dissapointing...
I only want to MP (PBEM) and I realy don't see the reason I have to pay twice....
I didn't buy the game last year expecting the MP version to come up..... well that buisness I guess

	10-10-2002 21:58									#17
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In a couple of months it's likely you'll be able to get Civ3+PtW in the same box for about the price Civ3 was when it came out. Game stores are always running deals like that a few months after an expansion pack comes out.

	10-10-2002 22:15									#18
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FrustratedPoet, that sound's right.

and in two years you'll get the civ-pack (civ1, civ2, civ2xp, civ3, civ3xp/ptw) for the price of civ3 a year ago.

and in 8 years, you can buy these in a 40$-"oldies but goldies"-collection

	10-10-2002 23:14									#19
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The Game of the Year edition has both PtW and Civ 3 bundled together for $40, IIRC.

	10-10-2002 23:19									#20
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Really? I thought that the Game of the Year Edition was simply Civ3 + patches with a scenario or two.

	11-10-2002 00:10									#21
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News item from StrategyPlanet

quote: Civ3 Game of The Year Announced Seaman | 9/7/2002 | 9:48 PST Yesterday the 'Game Of The Year' edition of Civ3 was annnounced by infogrames. This version is suppose to ship at the same time as the upcoming Play The World Expansion in october. This version will have three new game maps, a keyboard command card, a making-of video, and an excerpt from Prima's official strategy guide for the game and will also ship with the latest patch(version 1.29f). Civilization III was released on 2001 and won several awards, including best single-player strategy game of the year by Gamespot. Source:Gamespot

Looks like Machiavelli is right on this one. The Game-of-the-Year edition will ship at the same time as PtW, but it's just the 1.29f version with a few scenarios and some interesting (but probably lame - remember the 'designer's notes'? ) extra goodies.

	11-10-2002 08:22									#22
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Well imagine that.

Glad I bought the thing already.

	11-10-2002 09:15									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Coracle Yea, typical. HEY FIRAXIS GUYS. . . how about doing a little coding for a change and selling a PTW Deluxe (or some other name)? You can give those who want it the option of getting FIXED all the stuff we hate, such as Flipping borders and cities; crazy levels of settler expansion; lame naval warfare and useless privateers and subs; bombers with a realistic range (above '8'); less AI cheating; and all the other things some of us despise. That includes an end to the stupid UNLIMITED MP's on RR's, and not being able to use unpillaged roads when invading. Even I'd pay for it.

A lot of what you mentioned ar ebeing implemented in PTW.. as well as tweaking existing units, so maybe that will satisfy your appetite for useless unit gone 'gooder'.

	11-10-2002 09:17									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Switch And Half-Life: Blue Shift. And CivII Test of Time comes to mind.....I'm pretty sure it was similar to the mentioned SimCity 3000 situation...

remember, valve was so cool enough to give rebate to opposing force owners for getting jipped(?) since blue shift included opposing force as well.

Mail in your original civ3 for $15 on PTW standalone?

not a bad idea id say.

	11-10-2002 13:18									#25
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In any case, Infogrames is in charge of that, not Firaxis. They're probably trying to compensate for all those patches released for free...