12-08-2002 00:50									#1
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Wernazuma can you post the list of Viking cities in your X-pack?

	12-08-2002 02:09									#2
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If anyone else can't find some information here in the threads, simply go to http://de.geocities.com/wernazuma/

Anyway, here they are:
Trondheim
Uppsala
Oslo
Reykjavik
Göteborg
Birka
Roskilde
Odense
Bergen
Linköping
Ribe
Sigtuna
Lejre
Jellinge
Haithabu
Lund
Jorvik
Tonsberg
Kalmar
Visby
Brattahlid
Gardar
Hvarf
Falun
Torshavn
Kvivik
Sandur
Sandavagur
Jarlshof
Veigsfjordur
Vikingalo
Hlymrekur
Dyflinn
Kaupang
Stockholm
København
Jarrow
Knared
Helsingør
Thingvollur
Maeshowe
Thingvellir
Vedrafjord
Fyrkat
Kjönugard
Holmgard
Jomsborg
Nonnebakken
Lade
Borg
L'Anse-aux-Meadows

Leaders:
Harald Fairhair
Leif Eriksson
Erik Bloodaxe
Harald Hardrada
Harald Bluetooth
Magnus
Rurik

As I guess that we stick here with the native names too, we'd need other names for the leaders...

Last edited by Wernazuma III on 13-08-2002 at 02:41

	12-08-2002 03:50									#3
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Remove Vinland it's not a city but what they called Newfoundland, to my knowledge.

Helsingor should be Helsingør.

I would move Oslo a little down the list as it is a rather new name.
Uppsala, Birka, Roskilde and Ribe up the list as it is some of the oldest cities.
Add Hedeby to the list, remove Haithabu it's probably the same.

Jorvik = York, don't change the name, just so you know it.

Maybe i'll think of some more later.

	13-08-2002 01:30									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart Remove Vinland it's not a city but what they called Newfoundland, to my knowledge. Helsingor should be Helsingør. I would move Oslo a little down the list as it is a rather new name. Uppsala, Birka, Roskilde and Ribe up the list as it is some of the oldest cities. Add Hedeby to the list, remove Haithabu it's probably the same. Jorvik = York, don't change the name, just so you know it. Maybe i'll think of some more later.

Helsingør changed.
I'm not sure, but Oslo as Christiana (or so) was important early on too, right? Anyway, I've rearranged the list.

Why is Hedeby better than Haithabu?
I knew that about Jorvik.

	13-08-2002 01:50									#5
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I don't know if Hedeby is better than Haithabu. Hedeby is just what the city is called in Denmark (where it was situated).

Naming Viking cities are complicated, because the language the Vikings spoke is not used today, it has developed into several other close languages (danish, swedish, norwegian, icelandic). Lots of Viking words became also part of the english language. Icelandic is probably the language which is closest to the old Viking language. I can understand swedish and norwegian, but not icelandic.

But I think the Viking cities should be named what they are called in the country where they where/are situated. As you have done in the list.

	13-08-2002 02:00									#6
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It's just a guess, but I think Haithabu is better. It doesn't sound German, so if it isn't Danish it's probably "Viking". I guess some chroniclers might have written about the site early and thus preserved the original name. This can be totally wrong of course.

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quote: Originally posted by Wernazuma III It's just a guess, but I think Haithabu is better. It doesn't sound German, so if it isn't Danish it's probably "Viking". I guess some chroniclers might have written about the site early and thus preserved the original name. This can be totally wrong of course.

Then you decide, I'm not a Viking language expert. Maybe some other people can help.

	13-08-2002 02:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart I would move Oslo a little down the list as it is a rather new name.

The name Oslo is at least 1000 years old. But Oslo was called Christiania from 1624 to 1925.

	13-08-2002 02:12									#9
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	13-08-2002 02:14									#10
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Stockholm was actually founded after the "Viking age".
I think København/Copenhagen is relatively new as well.

	13-08-2002 02:23									#11
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So, move them down the list?

	13-08-2002 02:34									#12
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They are/were important cities and all, I just don't know if it's right to call them "Viking". Stockholm was founded in the 1250s and Copenhagen in 1167. The Viking age was from about 800 to 1066.
So I'd say either move them down the list or remove them.

	13-08-2002 02:48									#13
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Göteborg is even newer: 1619!

	13-08-2002 03:47									#14
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Since the city names are spelled as they are spelled in their homecountries, should it be the same with the leadernames?

Harald Fairhair = Harald Hårfager
Leif Eriksson is correct
Harald Bluetooth = Harald blåtand

Don't know about the rest of them, don't even know which country they're from.. (but if Bloodaxe was swedish it's "Blodyxa")

	13-08-2002 05:24									#15
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Leif Eriksson is known as Leiv Eiriksson in Norway, and his "Viking" (Old Norse) name is Leifr Eiríksson.

Erik Bloodaxe was Norwegian (Eirik Blodøks).
Harald Hardrada = Harald Hardråde.

It might be easier to just keep the English names, IMO.

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	13-08-2002 23:13									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Leif Eriksson is known as Leiv Eiriksson in Norway, and his "Viking" (Old Norse) name is Leifr Eiríksson. Erik Bloodaxe was Norwegian (Eirik Blodøks). Harald Hardrada = Harald Hardråde. It might be easier to just keep the English names, IMO.

Do you know the old norse names for the cities too?

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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf Leif Eriksson is known as Leiv Eiriksson in Norway, and his "Viking" (Old Norse) name is Leifr Eiríksson. Erik Bloodaxe was Norwegian (Eirik Blodøks). Harald Hardrada = Harald Hardråde. It might be easier to just keep the English names, IMO.

Interesting, I had never heard any other name than 'Hårfager' before, was he Norwegian? (or well, "Norwegian", 'west scandinavian would be a better word I guess )

I guess the english names are best.. but what about the city names? English, original, or how they are spelled in their countries today?

edit: spelling

	14-08-2002 01:06									#18
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After a poll Master Wernazuma decided to use native spelling for cities, not the english spelling.
Hårfager is the name used in Danish too btw.

	25-08-2002 23:51									#19
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quote: Interesting, I had never heard any other name than 'Hårfager' before, was he Norwegian? (or well, "Norwegian", 'west scandinavian would be a better word I guess )

Yes, he was Norway's first king. He got his name (which means something like "nice hair") because he promised not to cut his hair or beard until he had united the entire country. It took a while.